tOSU - Is point shaving next?

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WinOneThisCentury

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Hanging with a felon who's money laundering and selling drugs and having him connected to the tOSU program and players isn't a good thing. Hard to believe he wasn't thinking about making big money somehow off these connections also...and jerseys and rings aren't a big payday.

I may go back and watch that Purdue game a few years ago. Pryor was terrible, Smalls was terrible...and the funny thing was...Purdue was terrible.

Makes you wonder...and I don't think this is a stretch...hang with scum...it rubs off.
 
Extremely doubtful. Go back and watch the scene from Blue Chips where Nick Nolte confronts the kid about point shaving. You don't throw the game, you just don't beat the spread. I think the line was something like "Point shaving was easy. We still won, I just had to make enough bad plays to keep it within the spread."

In football, there are too many moving parts to point shave, IMO. In basketball, it just takes an errant pass here or there or a blown layup or two. In football, you would need several players from all 3 phases to make it happen.
 
MidnightBlueSix said:
Extremely doubtful. Go back and watch the scene from Blue Chips where Nick Nolte confronts the kid about point shaving. You don't throw the game, you just don't beat the spread. I think the line was something like "Point shaving was easy. We still won, I just had to make enough bad plays to keep it within the spread."

In football, there are too many moving parts to point shave, IMO. In basketball, it just takes an errant pass here or there or a blown layup or two. In football, you would need several players from all 3 phases to make it happen.
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Unless you handle the ball on every play...like a QB. Pretty easy to make an errant throw...take a sack, fumble, etc. Just saying. Pryor looked like he was sleep walking in that game, but I'm not saying he did, just surmising that it's a probability when you are dealing with these type of characters. If you are the QB, you can make sure you don't score any more points...it's not that hard.
 
WinOneThisCentury said:
Unless you handle the ball on every play...like a QB. Pretty easy to make an errant throw...take a sack, fumble, etc. Just saying. Pryor looked like he was sleep walking in that game, but I'm not saying he did, just surmising that it's a probability when you are dealing with these type of characters. If you are the QB, you can make sure you don't score any more points...it's not that hard.
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Except Pryor only handles the ball on half of the plays. Sure, he could hold back OSU's offense if he wanted to. But he's got ZERO control over what the other offense does.
 
The last point-shaving scandal in the Big Ten was NW football,with the running back who fumbled down by the goal line. It can be done,but I think you have to have actual evidence before leaping to any conclusions. As mobbed up as Youngstown was, you never know,but I think winning is just too big at Columbus.
 
JHHawk said:
The last point-shaving scandal in the Big Ten was NW football,with the running back who fumbled down by the goal line. It can be done,but I think you have to have actual evidence before leaping to any conclusions. As mobbed up as Youngstown was, you never know,but I think winning is just too big at Columbus.
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Are you forgetting Iowa's Ronnie Harmon in the 1986 Rose Bowl? It was never proven but something was up in that game. You can't tell me there wasn't.
 
tm3308 said:
Except Pryor only handles the ball on half of the plays. Sure, he could hold back OSU's offense if he wanted to. But he's got ZERO control over what the other offense does.
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Yeah, but how about the RBs and defense? If a QB is point shaving, the D should still dominate a woefully inferior opponent. Just like the RBs should still be able to break at least one or two big runs.
 
Point Shaving.....that's why they've finished 2nd or 3rd in the nation over the past decade......right.....
 
Section136 said:
I dont think point shaving went on at OSU but you dont have to lose games to shave points.
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I get that, but they would be the greatest point shavers in the history of point shaving if they could finish like they have and mess with games.
 
Has there ever even been a point shaving scandal in football? I don't mean just NCAA, I'm including NFL. I haven't done research so I don't know the answer, but it just seems way too complicated to pull off.
 
Apparently you don't understand how point shaving works. Since 2003-2004 OSU is one of the best if not the absolute best at covering the spread going 63-35 ATS in the time frame. This is using covers.com as a source.
 
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