Too bad this won't work at college level

Caven

Caven

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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UIdI8khMkw&feature=player_embedded]YouTube - Driscoll Middle School Trick Play[/ame]
 
This is what I posted on another site about this play (someone had called it a good strategy play):

That had nothing to do with strategy...that had everything to do with a youth coach taking advantage of the simple-mindedness of youth football. You want to run a hook and ladder, a double reverse pass, or double pass, that's fine because the defense understands that it's their job to stop that play. This play, and that "wrong ball" play that made the rounds on Youtube a while back, are garbage.

You want real youth coaching? Coach your kids to fire off the ball hard and see if you can string a 10-12 play drive together. That video isn't coaching...it's manipulating.
 
hawkfan2679 said:
This is what I posted on another site about this play (someone had called it a good strategy play):

That had nothing to do with strategy...that had everything to do with a youth coach taking advantage of the simple-mindedness of youth football. You want to run a hook and ladder, a double reverse pass, or double pass, that's fine because the defense understands that it's their job to stop that play. This play, and that "wrong ball" play that made the rounds on Youtube a while back, are garbage.

You want real youth coaching? Coach your kids to fire off the ball hard and see if you can string a 10-12 play drive together. That video isn't coaching...it's manipulating.
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Sooooo.....you must be the coach of the other team that got manipulated?
 
If that center would have done that against my fourth grade team he would have got blasted. We drill the D line to go when the center moves that ball. He would have been lucky to have got the ball as high as his knees. I think we raise, teach and coach our kids a little different in Iowa.
 
MNHawkeyeFreak said:
Sooooo.....you must be the coach of the other team that got manipulated?
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Nope, but I've done a fair amount of coaching. Enough to know that you don't do this in youth football.

Example...

How many times do you see a snap where the ball doesn't go between a center's legs? How long have you watched football? Now, think about a kid who has seen FAR less football...chances of them seeing a play where the ball didn't go between the center's legs are very small. Combine that with a dbag coach who is intentionally drawing attention to himself (see the bottom of the video) so as to take it away from his team, and you've got plenty of grounds for manipulation. Sure, you can coach a kid to move when the ball moves, but what happens when he moves and nobody else does, like in this play? He stops...because he thinks he's in the wrong because no one else is moving.
 
I would bet that those kids will not forget this play for a long time. Now they know. The first time I saw a hook n ladder in flag football it surprised me. That doesnt mean the coach was a Dbag. Also when we were younger teams including ones I played on would act as though they were sending a kid out of the game but he would just stand next to the sideline. Is that so wrong?
 
hawkfan2679 said:
This is what I posted on another site about this play (someone had called it a good strategy play):

That had nothing to do with strategy...that had everything to do with a youth coach taking advantage of the simple-mindedness of youth football. You want to run a hook and ladder, a double reverse pass, or double pass, that's fine because the defense understands that it's their job to stop that play. This play, and that "wrong ball" play that made the rounds on Youtube a while back, are garbage.

You want real youth coaching? Coach your kids to fire off the ball hard and see if you can string a 10-12 play drive together. That video isn't coaching...it's manipulating.
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Agree with this 100%. This isn't as clever or cute as the coach thinks it is. There's no honor in tricking a group of 10-year-olds to win a pee-wee football game.

If you're going to run a trick play, run a trick PLAY. Don't game the system.
 
OUTofTOWNHAWK said:
I would bet that those kids will not forget this play for a long time. Now they know. The first time I saw a hook n ladder in flag football it surprised me. That doesnt mean the coach was a Dbag. Also when we were younger teams including ones I played on would act as though they were sending a kid out of the game but he would just stand next to the sideline. Is that so wrong?
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To me there is no comparison between this play and a hook and ladder. This is an ADULT manipulating a youth football game. A hook and ladder is a legitimate football play.
 
Here's the sad part...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQbAP-K28J8&feature=player_embedded]YouTube - Trick Play in football gone bad[/ame]

This kid was instructed to run the "wrong ball" play. Only one guy on the defense reacts, but the QB gets planted. If it was run the same way as the one in the popular Youtube video, the QB probably wasn't even looking and he gets plastered. What should have happened was that the coach who called the play should have been blindsided, IMO...
 
hawkfan2679 said:
To me there is no comparison between this play and a hook and ladder. This is an ADULT manipulating a youth football game. A hook and ladder is a legitimate football play.
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All Im saying is like it or not it teaches a lesson. When the ball moves so should the defense. It could be a dbag move depending on how the game is going, but we dont know. My example of the hook and ladder is just to show that when your learning the game things surprise you. If youve never seen it you dont know. I think this play taught both teams a lesson. They all know this now and the younger this lesson is learned will just make them smarter. I doubt any of these kids got bent out of shape over this play if anything the team that got scored on are now asking their coach if they can run a play similar to this.
 
I'm pretty sure that this play was invented by the Iowa Hawkeyes!

I read a book on the history of Iowa football and there was a time when, maybe Aubrey Devine, disputed the spot of the ball. He was yelling at the officials, asked the center for the ball, and then told the officials he would mark off the yards himself! He did a one, two, three and then bolted for the endzone.
 
OUTofTOWNHAWK said:
All Im saying is like it or not it teaches a lesson. When the ball moves so should the defense. It could be a dbag move depending on how the game is going, but we dont know. My example of the hook and ladder is just to show that when your learning the game things surprise you. If youve never seen it you dont know. I think this play taught both teams a lesson. They all know this now and the younger this lesson is learned will just make them smarter. I doubt any of these kids got bent out of shape over this play if anything the team that got scored on are now asking their coach if they can run a play similar to this.
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And all I'm saying is that there is a difference between being surprised and being deceived. An adult should know the difference and know better, which is why I think the coach is a jerk.
 
One other thing as to the questionable legality of this play...

The defense gets 15 yards for simulating a snap count. They can't deceive an offense into thinking the play is starting...how is that any different than this offense deceiving the defense into thinking the play isn't?
 
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