Tonight's game... effective five...

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tmurph2643

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So I was disappointed that it seems like we have more threads about getting rid of the coaches when we have losses than we do discussion of a win... (i don't care if it was just drake)

These are just my observations.. but it seemed like the more effective lineup was Payne, Tucker, Gatens, Fuller, and Cole... I thought Fuller played a really nice game, and it was nice to see Payne, Tucker, and Gatens all shooting with some confidence.

I feel like outside of those five... it is necessary to use the depth we do have. Bawinkle is a pure shooter, May plays his @ss off, and Cougill is going to be VERY GOOD!!

So that leaves us with a rotation of 8 guys. That is not terrible...

Now... the only problem I had with the game is that all of our passes are telegraphed... everybody in the arena knows where every pass is going including the opponent.. there were a lot of passes that Drake didn't steal.. that would have been stolen by an athletic big ten team..

IF we can start playing disciplined basketball, this team has the ability to be competitive...

I think Lick is headed in the right direction, and if we dont lose any players after this season... we will be in VERY good shape with the incoming class.
 
I appreciate your post and thoughts. This might come off as a little more on the negative side but heres how I see thigs right now.

I agree that the dicipline needs work and passes are telegraphed. I also think we don't / or possibly don't have the ability to attack the basket right now and that is big. It seems that to be effective we need to be able to attack the basket and draw defenders and we simply can not do that right now.

I think that we have some good B10 players on this team right now but not enough of them and are missing some key elements.

Cole/ Gattens/ May are a nice start to any B10 team. While they may not be all stars on every dingle team, i think each would be signifigant and positive contributers.

Cougill will be good but he needs a little development time. Payne is also a nice assett and in time could become a tough starting point or at very least a good one off the bench but he needs time too.

To this point Fuller has shown me the potential to be a nice player off the bench but not a lot more yet. That may not be fair because of his ankle injury in just his 2nd year. If he continues to develop strength, post moves and his mid to long range game his celing goes way up.

I am not a Tucker/ Bawinkle or brommer fan. AT has good potential as a hybrid guard but to me (and this is only my opinion) he sometimes seems disinterested and like he takes plays off.

I love everything I have heard about Brust, Larson, and McCabe next year and Marble Jr may be a good steal as well. If the Hawks kept everyone but AT, AB and of course Bawinkle, brought in the four freshmen/ Archie and went out and picked up at least 1 quick guard that could contribute, I think they could compete at a pretty good level next year.
 
tmurph2643 said:
Cougill is going to be VERY GOOD!!
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Don't be firing that gun so quickly, Trigger.

What is your definition of VERY good?

To me, VERY good is like Ryan Bowen, Chris Street, or Ed Horton.

No offense to your opinion, but Brennan Cougill is NEVER going to be at the level of those three players.

I said it before he came to Iowa, I will say it until he leaves.

But, he is a Hawkeye so I will cheer for him to do well for the team's sake.
 
tmurph2643 said:
So I was disappointed that it seems like we have more threads about getting rid of the coaches when we have losses than we do discussion of a win... (i don't care if it was just drake)
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You are 99% right, I'm using base zero math. The Negative Nellies are the most vocal and relish in finding things wrong. This is a young team and has improved a lot from game one. If we started the season over Iowa probably picks up two more wins, but that is water under the bridge.
 
Well my response is really going to come off as negative .....

Your effective five is going to be without Tucker.
 
jparmley3 said:
Don't be firing that gun so quickly, Trigger.

What is your definition of VERY good?

To me, VERY good is like Ryan Bowen, Chris Street, or Ed Horton.

No offense to your opinion, but Brennan Cougill is NEVER going to be at the level of those three players.

I said it before he came to Iowa, I will say it until he leaves.

But, he is a Hawkeye so I will cheer for him to do well for the team's sake.
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He's a completely different kind of player than any of those three. You might as well say he's never going to be as good as Dean Oliver, Andre Woolridge, and BJ Armstrong. It means about as much.

In addition he's by far and aware more advanced at this point in his career than Ryan Bowen was. Bowen was long and quick and all heart, he wasn't a skilled player until his junior and senior season. Cougils offensive game is light years ahead of RB at the same point in their careers.

To say definitively that Cougs will NEVER be an elite player is premature and 100% dbaggy. The fact that you've been saying it before he got here, and plan on saying until after he leaves doesn't help your argument.
 
DuffMan said:
He's a completely different kind of player than any of those three. You might as well say he's never going to be as good as Dean Oliver, Andre Woolridge, and BJ Armstrong. It means about as much.

In addition he's by far and aware more advanced at this point in his career than Ryan Bowen was. Bowen was long and quick and all heart, he wasn't a skilled player until his junior and senior season. Cougils offensive game is light years ahead of RB at the same point in their careers.

To say definitively that Cougs will NEVER be an elite player is premature and 100% dbaggy. The fact that you've been saying it before he got here, and plan on saying until after he leaves doesn't help your argument.
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How about Russ Millard, can he just be like that?
 
theboat said:
How about Russ Millard, can he just be like that?
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I think they have a lot of the same skills. What some people don't realize/remember is prior to Millards knee injuries he was very athletic. When he came back after injury he didn't have that same explosiveness. I don't think Cougs has that kind of leaping ability. That being said I don't remember Russ having quite the frame that Cougs has. It's going to be very interesting to see how his body changes over the next several years.

Say what you want about the coaching regime they appear to have the same kind of impact from a strenght and conditioning standpoint that Doyle does on the football side.

Cole has become a friggen monster and Fuller has really filled out over just one year.
 
DuffMan said:
Cole has become a friggen monster and Fuller has really filled out over just one year.
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You are pretty easy to impress aren't you? While Cole isn't bad, I wouldn't really classify his 9 points and 6 rebounds a game as monsterous. Yeah, he may be built, but he has put up those numbers against some pretty iffy competition. Do you really imagine he will hold his own night in nigt out against some of the other big guys in the conference?
 
jparmley3 said:
Don't be firing that gun so quickly, Trigger.

What is your definition of VERY good?

To me, VERY good is like Ryan Bowen, Chris Street, or Ed Horton.

No offense to your opinion, but Brennan Cougill is NEVER going to be at the level of those three players.

I said it before he came to Iowa, I will say it until he leaves.

But, he is a Hawkeye so I will cheer for him to do well for the team's sake.
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My definition includes the fact that he is light years ahead of where Ryan Bowen was as a freshmen... I couldn't stand all of the wide open missed layups bowen had as a freshmen.. Cougill is more developed in the body, and has a better shot from the perimeter. I ended up loving Ryan Bowen by the end of his career, i am just saying.

Chris Street was amazing.. and I am too young to really remember Ed Horton. I think Cougill reminds me a little bit of Brunner (a little bit, not as polished coming out of h.s.)
 
DuffMan said:
He's a completely different kind of player than any of those three. You might as well say he's never going to be as good as Dean Oliver, Andre Woolridge, and BJ Armstrong. It means about as much.

In addition he's by far and aware more advanced at this point in his career than Ryan Bowen was. Bowen was long and quick and all heart, he wasn't a skilled player until his junior and senior season. Cougils offensive game is light years ahead of RB at the same point in their careers.

To say definitively that Cougs will NEVER be an elite player is premature and 100% dbaggy. The fact that you've been saying it before he got here, and plan on saying until after he leaves doesn't help your argument.
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Should have kept reading.. you beat me to it!
 
DuffMan said:
He's a completely different kind of player than any of those three. You might as well say he's never going to be as good as Dean Oliver, Andre Woolridge, and BJ Armstrong. It means about as much.

In addition he's by far and aware more advanced at this point in his career than Ryan Bowen was. Bowen was long and quick and all heart, he wasn't a skilled player until his junior and senior season. Cougils offensive game is light years ahead of RB at the same point in their careers.

To say definitively that Cougs will NEVER be an elite player is premature and 100% dbaggy. The fact that you've been saying it before he got here, and plan on saying until after he leaves doesn't help your argument.
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You are right. Cougs will never reach the height(s) of DeanO, Dre, and BJ.

Very few people ever will.

But, to compare Cougs to those (3) cats is pretty unfair.

a) they play different positions

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b) they play different positions
 
GhostofBTT said:
You are pretty easy to impress aren't you? While Cole isn't bad, I wouldn't really classify his 9 points and 6 rebounds a game as monsterous. Yeah, he may be built, but he has put up those numbers against some pretty iffy competition. Do you really imagine he will hold his own night in nigt out against some of the other big guys in the conference?
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I'm talking about thier bodies not thier games. Cole is definately on the All Airport team.
 
Cougill is nothing like Millard, completely different body types, different games. Cougills doesnt have the lower strength/balance like Russ did, nor the fluidness in his movements, and no explosivness at all. Brunner was much closer to Millard, much. Cougill looks like a smaller version of Big Country from OSU, and this system doesnt favour that type of player (though, what player DOES it favour ).
 
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