Todays subject, CJF

CJF hasn't broken a single tackle all year. He goes down like a rag doll. No hands. No speed or quickness. He's shown no serious athletic ability of any kind. He's playing because he's big, but he doesn't know how to use his size, his ONLY asset, to his advantage. He has no business on a D-1 football field...unless he can learn to block and perhaps become an offensive tackle. He's one of the most over-hyped kids Iowa has had in the last 35 years.

Anyone who thinks this kid runs a 4.5 forty still believes in the Tooth Fairy. Do you watch the games? Do you know which player CJF is? He looks like he's wearing concrete cleats. That's CJF.

And if you look back at what the coaches, especially Davis, said about CJF earlier, you would have further evidence that the coaches don't know a football player from a block of wood. The whole Iowa football mess is unnecessary, inexplicable and indefensible.
 
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You guys saying he goes down easy or hasn't broken a tackle clearly havent been watching closely enough.

The correct answer is CJF has two problems, one he has a QB that hasn't looked his way on a verticle route since throwing a pick on a corner route against ISU, two he isn't an explosive athelte and should be playing tackle. That 4.5 40 time is complete garbage. He has trouble getting separation against man coverage against college line backers.

As I said earlier this season I don't see him playing in the NFL.
 
Madman said:
He is amazingly slow off the ball, unable to create any separation between himself and a defender, and has hands of stone. Unfortunately the kid was unwilling/unable to learn how to block as a freshman and sophomore - negating the idea of converting him to an offensive tackle.

Bottom line, just another 4* bust for the Iowa program.
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He's a two year starter. Only a complete ******* moron would label him a bust.
 
For his size and lack of agility, he needs to be running vertical routes. Not going east and west. I'm surprised with the many drops considering he mostly played out wide in high school, which was why he had to develop blocking in his first 2 years.
 
herkyattack said:
It's hard to tell what CJF can do as a receiver because this year he was cursed with the misfortune of having both Vandenberg and Greg Davis. One thing I DO know is he has improved tenfold in the blocking department since his freshman/sophomore years. He has turned himself into an exceptional blocker for a TE.
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This.

Wtf people?? Is CJF the scapegoat this week or what?

The sample size we have to work with in regards to his performance is not nearly enough.
 
iowamike21 said:
CJF hasn't broken a single tackle all year. He goes down like a rag doll. No hands. No speed or quickness. He's shown no serious athletic ability of any kind. He's playing because he's big, but he doesn't know how to use his size, his ONLY asset, to his advantage. He has no business on a D-1 football field...unless he can learn to block and perhaps become an offensive tackle. He's one of the most over-hyped kids Iowa has had in the last 35 years.

Anyone who thinks this kid runs a 4.5 forty still believes in the Tooth Fairy. Do you watch the games? Do you know which player CJF is? He looks like he's wearing concrete cleats. That's CJF.

And if you look back at what the coaches, especially Davis, said about CJF earlier, you would have further evidence that the coaches don't know a football player from a block of wood. The whole Iowa football mess is unnecessary, inexplicable and indefensible.
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You are so ******* far off base here that it's not even funny. Exaggerate much, moron?
 
The guy never catches the ball. He has to be about 50% in actually securing the ball when it's thrown at him. That right there is the crux of the issue. He just isn't very good. Most overrated player to come through Iowa in a long, long time.
 
hawkfan2679 said:
Was one of them when Bullock ran the wrong route and they were basically stacked on top of each other? I know he had 1 that I remember...

Our TE's (whether it's CJF, Duzey, Hamilton, or Derby) are averaging less than 4 catches per game. For all the "stuff" coming out of Greg Davis at the beginning of the year, you'd have thought we'd be utilizing the position more. Having a drop here and there shouldn't disqualify the position and relegate it to disappearing from the game for massive chunks of game time, which it seems our TE position has done a lot this year.
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since 2002 nobody avg 4 catches per game not even Clark, Moeaki or Chandler, I think you ask for to much
thru 9 games CJF has 27 catches for a 3 catch per game avg
 
redhawk55 said:
since 2002 nobody avg 4 catches per game not even Clark, Moeaki or Chandler, I think you ask for to much
thru 9 games CJF has 27 catches for a 3 catch per game avg
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I'm not asking for too much. I included the entire TE group, not one individual. We've had that happen several times since 2004 (as far back as a cursory glance at ESPN would go). When your OC comes in and says he really likes the TE group, CJF especially, and then bemoans the lack of speed on the outside, you'd expect him to try to utilize the TE's more.
 
the TE'S are avg'ing 4 catches pergames between them they have 36 catches thru 9 games, funny how people rip JVB for being a poor QB and now you rip the TE'S for not catching enough passes,,
the question is which is it, poor TE play or poor QB play?
 
redhawk55 said:
the TE'S are avg'ing 4 catches pergames between them they have 36 catches thru 9 games, funny how people rip JVB for being a poor QB and now you rip the TE'S for not catching enough passes,,
the question is which is it, poor TE play or poor QB play?
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Unless I'm missing something, I've got 34 catches among the current TE's.

CJF: 27
Hamilton: 2
Duzey: 3
Derby: 2

So that'd be less than 4 catches a game. And I'll restate what I said...For all the "stuff" coming out of Greg Davis at the beginning of the year, you'd have thought we'd be utilizing the position more. Having a drop here and there shouldn't disqualify the position and relegate it to disappearing from the game for massive chunks of game time, which it seems our TE position has done a lot this year.

I don't know where the comments about ripping JVB or the TE's came from...I did neither.
 
mistook Garmons 5 catches but still you are asking for to much Duzzy just started playing 2 games ago as a RSFR, Hamilton is a true SO, and Davis is the teams leading receiver with 44 and KMM is the 2nd leading receiver with 43,
the biggest improvement that GD has brought is the RB'S are led by
Bullock with 17
Weisman with 12
Garmon with 5
that's 24 catches for the RB'S, this something that KOK did not utilize a whole lot, this takes away the catches from the TE'S.
THE RIPPING COMMENT WAS ABOUT OTHER POSTERS NOT YOU
 
hawkfan2679 said:
Unless I'm missing something, I've got 34 catches among the current TE's.

CJF: 27
Hamilton: 2
Duzey: 3
Derby: 2

So that'd be less than 4 catches a game. And I'll restate what I said...For all the "stuff" coming out of Greg Davis at the beginning of the year, you'd have thought we'd be utilizing the position more. Having a drop here and there shouldn't disqualify the position and relegate it to disappearing from the game for massive chunks of game time, which it seems our TE position has done a lot this year.

I don't know where the comments about ripping JVB or the TE's came from...I did neither.
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This must be your first experience with Herbjob.
 
redhawk55 said:
mistook Garmons 5 catches but still you are asking for to much Duzzy just started playing 2 games ago as a RSFR, Hamilton is a true SO, and Davis is the teams leading receiver with 44 and KMM is the 2nd leading receiver with 43,
the biggest improvement that GD has brought is the RB'S are led by
Bullock with 17
Weisman with 12
Garmon with 5
that's 24 catches for the RB'S, this something that KOK did not utilize a whole lot, this takes away the catches from the TE'S.
THE RIPPING COMMENT WAS ABOUT OTHER POSTERS NOT YOU
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I don't know that the RB's catches is exactly an improvement brought on by the Davis system as much as it is a function of the check down frequency that JVB has utilized this year. He has added several more screens than we've seen in years past, but a lot of those catches are checkdowns. I'm sure that some of them were even valid checkdowns, but there are some that we're going exclusively to the back out of the backfield, downfield be damned (unable to prove...can only go from inferences made viewing the play progressions).

Our passing game seems to want to stay as far away from the middle of the field as possible, which is why I think our TE's targets are so disappointing. There seems to be an area of the field...5 yards above the numbers on each side horizontally, from 5 yards off the LOS to about 40 yards into the secondary vertically...that we really don't utilize much.

We use more than 1 TE on the field for a big chunk of our offense. With an OC who sees promise in the TE group and stated as such prior to the year, I simply expected them to be a bigger part of the offense.
 
true Ihad some big expectastion for CJ
but I think it is more a by product of the play of the QB.. JVB has compled just 174 passes thru 9 games that's less than 20 per game
NIU 21 Comp
ISU 24 Comp
UNI 17 Comp
CMU 16 Comp
Minn 18 Comp
MSU 19 Comp
PSU 17 Comp
NW 24 Comp
Ind 21 Comp
kinda hard for the TE to get alot of catches especially when JVB IS AVG'ing just 33.6 attemps per game
19.33 comp on 33.66 attempts
 
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