Tiring of Iowa Being Dismissed for 2011

JonDMiller

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Hope and Concern? | Hawkeye Nation

Adam Rittenberg of ESPN blogs about Big Ten football for the world wide leader. He is running a 'Hope and Concern' series this week, citing items for each team where their fans can pin some hope along with an area of concern. He hit Iowa on Wednesday, and you can read his blurb here.

His biggest area of concern for Iowa is this: Depth in the defensive front seven.

I don't disagree with him, but he goes on to say that Iowa feels good about three of its four down linemen in Daniels, Binns and Daniel, and he compliments Morris and Nielsen at linebacker. Again, Iowa is thin with regards to unproven depth this coming year and they will have to answer a lot of questions to the affirmative along the front...but that's 5 of 7. Then again, as Rittenberg points out (the obvious), Iowa can ill-afford any injuries to key players in the front seven this year, something they did not do at linebacker last year.

Maybe I am getting a bit too sensitive to daily hits and criticisms for Iowa's 2011 team...that's probably close to the truth. Also, as I have said before, people that are fans of a team or closely follow that team tend to minimize the warts more so than do 'outsiders' and we likely amplify the strengths.

That being acknowledged, I just have a hard time believing that the 2011 Iowa defense won't be at least as productive as the 2005 Iowa defense was, the year it replaced four starters along the defensive line along with one linebacker. Iowa actually has more starting experience returning to its front seven for 2011 than it did in 2005, when Ken Iwebema and Bryan Mattison started as sophomore defensive ends and Matt Kroul and Mitch King started as freshmen tackles.

That year, Iowa was 29th nationally in rushing defense (129 yards per game allowed) and 22nd in scoring defense (20.0/ppg allowed), both of those being more than respectable numbers and both of those categories being two of the most important in my book. However, that team was not very opportunistic, finishing 101st in the nation in turnovers gained with just 16.

That team had Abdul Hodge and Chad Greenway at linebacker. I won't put Morris in Hodge's category but he's not going to be a slouch. Nielsen and Greenway play different positions, but Nielsen might be the second best LEO linebacker of the Ferentz era and proved to be very good in coverage. Mike Daniels is light years ahead of where King or Kroul were and I think Binns will play much better than either Iwebema or Mattison did as sophomore's. Dominic Alvis may prove to be a revelation along the line, too.

While I expect a drop off on defense for Iowa, this group can be opportunistic and I think there are some unknown names waiting in the wings that will prove their mettle, and the depth along the front four this year will be better than it was in 2005.

As was the case in 2005, the offense will have to put up some points. The 2005 team averaged 30.0 points per game and was 22nd in total yardage in the nation, with the total yards per game being the second best mark of the O'Keefe era.

I believe this year's team is capable of such numbers.

Just like 2005, the margin between a nine win season and a seven win season will likely be small...but Iowa fans are used to that, as their 11 losses over the past three years have been by seven points or less.

I'm starting to get ticked at how this year's team is being overlooked, so you can only imagine how they will play up that angle inside the football complex.

To look at Iowa's 2005 national statistical rankings, click here

Here is one more late addition to the snubfest that is taking place.

Rittenberg has a poll of the Big Ten's most irreplaceable players from 2010...there are five names on it...Iowa had more players drafted than any school officially in the Big Ten, including a first rounder...no Hawkeyes are in this poll.

I guess you could say that's a compliment to the players Iowa has in the program, or a not to reloading? Yes, you could if you didn't already know the writer pegged Iowa as the 7th best team in the league just last week.
 
Well well well...

After perpetuating the idea that we are little ole Iowa for the past year and that we should get really excited about 7 and 8 win seasons, you are now upset that Iowa isn't getting enough respect.

Iowa allows this to happen and it hurts the program.

They continually poop in the bed when they have any kind of expectations at all.

They seemingly do everything they can to hype up the idea that dismiss Iowa and they'll sneak up and get you.

Lastly, we have a fanbase that tells us to appreciate all we have because in 1979, Iowa football stunk.

As soon as we have people calling within the program calling seasons like last year a severe disappointment and not apologizing for it and correcting the culture that allows the above three traits to continue , we will be a program that the pundits don't dismiss in any year.

This is not an indictment of our coaching staff in anyway, it is an indictment of the culture around the program.
 
Well well well...

After perpetuating the idea that we are little ole Iowa for the past year and that we should get really excited about 7 and 8 win seasons, you are now upset that Iowa isn't getting enough respect.

Iowa allows this to happen and it hurts the program.

They continually poop in the bed when they have any kind of expectations at all.

They seemingly do everything they can to hype up the idea that dismiss Iowa and they'll sneak up and get you.

Lastly, we have a fanbase that tells us to appreciate all we have because in 1979, Iowa football stunk.

As soon as we have people calling within the program calling seasons like last year a severe disappointment and not apologizing for it and correcting the culture that allows the above three traits to continue , we will be a program that the pundits don't dismiss in any year.

This is not an indictment of our coaching staff in anyway, it is an indictment of the culture around the program.

Excellent post!
 
Wrong forum...

Also, I'm pretty sure that 1991 was Mitch King's freshman year.
 
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Well well well...

After perpetuating the idea that we are little ole Iowa for the past year and that we should get really excited about 7 and 8 win seasons, you are now upset that Iowa isn't getting enough respect.

Iowa allows this to happen and it hurts the program.

They continually poop in the bed when they have any kind of expectations at all.

They seemingly do everything they can to hype up the idea that dismiss Iowa and they'll sneak up and get you.

Lastly, we have a fanbase that tells us to appreciate all we have because in 1979, Iowa football stunk.

As soon as we have people calling within the program calling seasons like last year a severe disappointment and not apologizing for it and correcting the culture that allows the above three traits to continue , we will be a program that the pundits don't dismiss in any year.

This is not an indictment of our coaching staff in anyway, it is an indictment of the culture around the program.

You know, I was going to make some point counter points to your post, but felt in the end most would be specious. So, I simply say on some levels, touche.

It would appear from examining my mood, I'd like to have it both ways.
 
Well well well...

After perpetuating the idea that we are little ole Iowa for the past year and that we should get really excited about 7 and 8 win seasons, you are now upset that Iowa isn't getting enough respect.

Iowa allows this to happen and it hurts the program.

They continually poop in the bed when they have any kind of expectations at all.

They seemingly do everything they can to hype up the idea that dismiss Iowa and they'll sneak up and get you.

Lastly, we have a fanbase that tells us to appreciate all we have because in 1979, Iowa football stunk.

As soon as we have people calling within the program calling seasons like last year a severe disappointment and not apologizing for it and correcting the culture that allows the above three traits to continue , we will be a program that the pundits don't dismiss in any year.

This is not an indictment of our coaching staff in anyway, it is an indictment of the culture around the program.

Well said.

Iowa can't have it both ways....

Do we keep Aww-shucking our team every year because we supposedly "play better" as the underdog....or..

Do we tell it like it is..when we're good....say so.

#1 gets you less respect. #2 may get you more.

BTW...I'm a pre-1979'er....and I do NOT subscribe to being thankful for 7 win seasons....not in this era of scheduling weak OOC teams, and especially, considering our past NFL draftees....the times have changed....the program has been elevated. Nothing out of line to expect greatness.
 
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Why do people care about PREDICTIONS? They are worhtless. Care about RESULTS and your life will be much easier. Granted, that can be difficult as well during disappointing seasons.
 
Well well well...

After perpetuating the idea that we are little ole Iowa for the past year and that we should get really excited about 7 and 8 win seasons, you are now upset that Iowa isn't getting enough respect. . . .

I guess I don't hear many people saying last year wasn't a disappointment, and that they are grateful Iowa won 8 games.

I'm sure the staff and others around the program are severely disappointed in the season - they just are not going to dwell on it, nor are they going to talk about it with the media - it's simply not productive nor required in my book that they spill their guts as some sort of cathartic event to show us they were really upset about the season. To me, it's the behind the scene stuff that matters. I inherently trust this staff that they're diligently working on it.

I see the "hype" as you call it making lemonade out of lemons. It's not the preferred status, but it's what they make of it. I don't need them hyping about how good they'll be next year. I, for one, think they are going to be quite good.

As far as the fanbase, they are all over the board on expectations and appreciation. I don't think it's fair to label them in one way.

I guess I just disagree with the overall tone of your post. Iowa's culture is about winning football games, not talking about winning - I'm fine with it, but I can see how others are not.
 
Why do people care about PREDICTIONS? They are worhtless. Care about RESULTS and your life will be much easier. Granted, that can be difficult as well during disappointing seasons.

^This...I am fairly sure no one in the program is too wrapped up in the predictions....Come September they will have a chance to prove it on the field. If you haven't realized by now, expectations and pre-season polls mean nothing....Especially for BCS conference teams...Win every game and you're most likely in the NCG....regardless...it will be settled on the field not in some ESPN blog.
 
Why do people care about PREDICTIONS? They are worhtless. Care about RESULTS and your life will be much easier. Granted, that can be difficult as well during disappointing seasons.

While it is true that a team has to prove where it deserves to be regarded on the field... when a team is greatly undervalued in the preseason, it can take a long time to work it's way into and up the poll rankings.
 
Okay...color me as one of those people who thought Iowa would win the Big 10 last year. We had a senior laden team filled with experience and talent, coming off an Orange Bowl victory season. Iowa underperformed badly last year. We looked hapless against Northwestern, Minnesota and Indiana. Anyone who was not tremendously disappointed with last season wasn't paying attention. That being said, on balance, historically an 8 win season with a bowl win is a pretty damn good year. But Iowa football is in an up cycle and with that being the case, expectations should be higher than they were in 1979. I will not be happy with another 8 win season this year. Not in the slightest.
 
First off - a bowl win shouldn't count in the win total of a year determining whether the season was a success or not. It is a glorified exhibition game unless it is the BCS.

8 wins is the minimum level of acceptable to me during the regular season. This assumes we handle the cupcakes that are our OOC schedule and go .500 in conference.

Occasionally, we may poop in the OOC and then I expect the team to make it up in the conference slate.

Given the level of talent we produce for the NFL, anyone who thinks is anything bu what our minimum expectations should be needs their head examined.
 
Well well well...

After perpetuating the idea that we are little ole Iowa for the past year and that we should get really excited about 7 and 8 win seasons, you are now upset that Iowa isn't getting enough respect.

Iowa allows this to happen and it hurts the program.

They continually poop in the bed when they have any kind of expectations at all.

They seemingly do everything they can to hype up the idea that dismiss Iowa and they'll sneak up and get you.

Lastly, we have a fanbase that tells us to appreciate all we have because in 1979, Iowa football stunk.

As soon as we have people calling within the program calling seasons like last year a severe disappointment and not apologizing for it and correcting the culture that allows the above three traits to continue , we will be a program that the pundits don't dismiss in any year.

This is not an indictment of our coaching staff in anyway, it is an indictment of the culture around the program.


Absolutely sums up the complex issue some in the Iowa fanbase have. This isn't the 70's anymore, in fact far removed. Iowa is one of the top 20 programs in the nation imo. Great facilities, great fan support, banged out stadium every Saturday and the willingness to pay good money for a great coach.
 
Predictions matter. Journalists' opinions REALLY matter.

For better or worse these things become self fulfilling. A great program has a great rep and therefore great recruits AND a great pre-season AP ranking. Does anyone dispute that your odds of making a BCS bowl are better if you start out #5 in the AP rather than #35?

Media, history, panache matter. Winning matters. Iowa blew 2010 in epic fashion. It was a chance to get on the map. We have little panache, media don't particularly love us, and our history is, well, not as good as Minnesota's. And we lost a lot of games we should have won.

So Aw-Shucks, underdog, who gives a flip what THEY think, Iowa, is fun from game to game, season to season, and we all get a little rise when we beat Michigan. But the ethos of AwShucks is self defeating.
 
Does Iowa really deserve being a labled contender?
This offseason has been an utter disaster and embarrasment. From DJK to Rhabado to Arob.
Iowa lost their best offensive player in Stanzi and 3 best defensive players in Ballard, Clayborn and Sash.
Still have depth issues at RB and WR on offense, DL, LB and the secondary
Have to replace the 4th best punter in the last 30 years.
Can James Vandenburg be the QB?
Is Iowa too predictable.... unless they are playing Michigan State?
There are lots of questions but I feel Iowa is an 8-4 team right now which is a pretty average Iowa team imho.
 
Ah, sounds like we have the national pundits right where we want em. It probably doesn't even need said, but Iowa performs better when nobody expects anything from them. I don't mind the low expectations. Especially if it means we wup Nebby.
 
Well well well...

After perpetuating the idea that we are little ole Iowa for the past year and that we should get really excited about 7 and 8 win seasons, you are now upset that Iowa isn't getting enough respect.

Iowa allows this to happen and it hurts the program.

They continually poop in the bed when they have any kind of expectations at all.

They seemingly do everything they can to hype up the idea that dismiss Iowa and they'll sneak up and get you.

Lastly, we have a fanbase that tells us to appreciate all we have because in 1979, Iowa football stunk.

As soon as we have people calling within the program calling seasons like last year a severe disappointment and not apologizing for it and correcting the culture that allows the above three traits to continue , we will be a program that the pundits don't dismiss in any year.

This is not an indictment of our coaching staff in anyway, it is an indictment of the culture around the program.

Well-said.
 
IMO, the DJK and Arob incidents get blown way out of proportion because many Iowa fans think every kid playing sports is pure as the driven snow. You look at the last 6 months of most major college programs and you will find lots of "issues". The Doyle deal got examined and we have seen the results.

My biggest gripe with football is our Lickliteresque offensive coordinator. I am convinced you could give KOK an NFL all star team and he would figure out a way to make them predictable, ineffecient and incapable of scoring 21 points. Unless we have stellar play from our defense, flawless special teams and +2 or more in the turnover category, we will forever be a 7-5 or 8-4 team. I am a KF fan, but his blind loyalty to KOK has held us back. I expect more of the same this year...ask the defense to win games for us because the offense can't score more than two TD's/.
 

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