Time to trade ISU or a MAC team for southern BCS teams for recruiting and exposure

Re: Time to trade ISU or a MAC team for southern BCS teams for recruiting and exposur

Not sure I would be excited about watching an SEC team route us by 30 points. Until we get back on track and actually beat the Clowns, I see no reason to schedule an opponent we can't compete with. Now, if you go back a few years - yes I would like to have seen us play the likes of Clemson, etc. But not now. Not where this program is at today.
 
Re: Time to trade ISU or a MAC team for southern BCS teams for recruiting and exposur

Stupid post of the day.

Whatever clown.

I will say it again, Iowa gets nothing out of this game. Nothing. Not during the Fry years and not now.

But ISU sure does need Iowa....without Iowa......ISU would not get noticed outside of upsetting someone here and there.

Start winning your conference and doing something really worthwhile and then the game will be worthwhile to us. Until then, if I'm Barta, I'm looking/pushing to get a deal done with a marquee team.


And those ISU fans that say, well who wants to play Iowa that is marquee....that is not our problem if they ink the deal. But, see the thing is we don't have to play you, nor should we most years. I mean you don't see Ohio St play Ohio every year do you?

All this said, unfortunately Ferentz coached teams have been underwhelming in this series and it is frustrating to see the better program historically (probably currently) and in most years struggle. But, this series will always mean more to ISU than Iowa like Jon says for the reasons he listed.
 
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Re: Time to trade ISU or a MAC team for southern BCS teams for recruiting and exposur

Football is increasingly a southern sport as far as talent goes. Northern football is still interesting though but northern teams should stick to playing each other from a competitive standpoint (other than Michigan and OSU). ISU is a good matchup for Iowa in that way as the teams have rather comparable (and mediocre) talent. They are good competitive games. Playing southern teams in conference hurts ISU I am sure. MAC teams , being from the north, are also good competition for Iowa. So from a competition and financial (home and home) standpoint, Iowa does and should continur to play ISU, MAC and cupcake.
 
Re: Time to trade ISU or a MAC team for southern BCS teams for recruiting and exposur

Football is increasingly a southern sport as far as talent goes. Northern football is still interesting though but northern teams should stick to playing each other from a competitive standpoint (other than Michigan and OSU). ISU is a good matchup for Iowa in that way as the teams have rather comparable (and mediocre) talent. They are good competitive games. Playing southern teams in conference hurts ISU I am sure. MAC teams , being from the north, are also good competition for Iowa. So from a competition and financial (home and home) standpoint, Iowa does and should continur to play ISU, MAC and cupcake.

Over the last 12 years since KF had his first winning team I would say the "avg" Iowa team would do well against the "avg" Ole Miss, Miss St, yes Vanderbilt, Texas Tech, North Carolina, and you could schedule some non BCS teams like Central Florida.

Yes you have to keep the regular recruiting practices going but some kids want to go a ways from home and you might get a gem because they see the hawks in the south or on TV playing a team from their area. If the Big 10 makes teams quit scheduling FCS teams I would like to see this rather than playing two Mac teams.
 
Re: Time to trade ISU or a MAC team for southern BCS teams for recruiting and exposur

Over the last 12 years since KF had his first winning team I would say the "avg" Iowa team would do well against the "avg" Ole Miss, Miss St, yes Vanderbilt, Texas Tech, North Carolina, and you could schedule some non BCS teams like Central Florida.

Yes you have to keep the regular recruiting practices going but some kids want to go a ways from home and you might get a gem because they see the hawks in the south or on TV playing a team from their area. If the Big 10 makes teams quit scheduling FCS teams I would like to see this rather than playing two Mac teams.

Perhaps the recency bias of watching the past three years of Iowa football has clouded my judgement.
 
Re: Time to trade ISU or a MAC team for southern BCS teams for recruiting and exposur

Over the last 12 years since KF had his first winning team I would say the "avg" Iowa team would do well against the "avg" Ole Miss, Miss St, yes Vanderbilt, Texas Tech, North Carolina, and you could schedule some non BCS teams like Central Florida.

Yes you have to keep the regular recruiting practices going but some kids want to go a ways from home and you might get a gem because they see the hawks in the south or on TV playing a team from their area. If the Big 10 makes teams quit scheduling FCS teams I would like to see this rather than playing two Mac teams.

This is one of those awesome, "I can make it sound reasonable even though I have nothing beyond my imagination to go on" threads.

Have you spent much time in the South? Talked to any southern kids lately? I do daily. Believe me, going far from home does not mean going to the far north plains. These kids thrive in the heat that wilts me. If they go far from home it will be east or west - not north.

Seriously, migration to the south from northern African-Americans is one of the most prevalent demographic shifts today.

Would this bring more exciting match-ups? On paper, yes. But on the field probably not and the impact on recruiting would most likely be zip.
 
Re: Time to trade ISU or a MAC team for southern BCS teams for recruiting and exposur

This is one of those awesome, "I can make it sound reasonable even though I have nothing beyond my imagination to go on" threads.

Have you spent much time in the South? Talked to any southern kids lately? I do daily. Believe me, going far from home does not mean going to the far north plains. These kids thrive in the heat that wilts me. If they go far from home it will be east or west - not north.

Seriously, migration to the south from northern African-Americans is one of the most prevalent demographic shifts today.

Would this bring more exciting match-ups? On paper, yes. But on the field probably not and the impact on recruiting would most likely be zip.

This honestly makes it sound like the BigTen is doomed.
 
Re: Time to trade ISU or a MAC team for southern BCS teams for recruiting and exposur

My suggestion would be to grab the P12 and some other willing programs and get Fox to pay a boatload for the broadcasting rights.

Base it on a true academic standard involving a core set of general education courses that all students must take in their first two years including a wide range of assessment measures.

Say with all the recent shenanigans that you are going to put the integrity back into college sports. Teams that want to do that can come along.

You would already be starting with most of the largest TV markets in the nation and it would be a way to distinguish real student athletes from semi-pros playing on college teams.

Heck, I would even pay these kids some dough as I would call their football a student worker job.

The key is not to try to beat the south at their game. That is a loser's proposition, but to start your own game they have no chance in competing against.

Believe me, I have taught "student athletes" in the north and south. Most of these southern teams would be decimated if any real academic standards were imposed on their programs.
 
Re: Time to trade ISU or a MAC team for southern BCS teams for recruiting and exposur

My thought is the timing is off a bit. Getting smoked by the likes of TCU, Clemson, Ole Miss and Georgia will not help recruiting in the south. Right now, the team Iowa has, will get smoked by all four of those programs.

The real question we need to ask is not who we should be playing in the south, but how we deal with the expansion of FBS football in the south. Texas and Florida, the prime recruiting states, have more programs moving up to FBS on a consistent basis. That makes the decision of "Come to Iowa and freeze your hind off for six months of the year or go to UTSA and play in a dome" much easier on a kid from Texas.

But losing to, or, barely beating the teams we're playing now isn't helping recruiting in BIG country. The recruits could react favorably to playing a Texas, or a Southern school each non conference season. Losing or not.
 
Re: Time to trade ISU or a MAC team for southern BCS teams for recruiting and exposur

are you getting tired of Iowa being smoked by the 'clones?

As far a publicity goes, this in-state rivalry game has gotten more attention from, at least, sports networks than, IMO, some of the other aforementioned alternative matchups would get.

It's Iowa's fault they haven't show well.
 
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Re: Time to trade ISU or a MAC team for southern BCS teams for recruiting and exposur

are you getting tired of Iowa being smoked by the 'clones?

As far a publicity goes, this in-state rivalry game has gotten more attention from, at least, sports networks than, IMO, some of the other aforementioned alternative matchups would get.

It's Iowa's fault they haven't show well.


No, we are tired of getting nothing out of this game win or lose. Especially stings when the clowns do nothing in their conference in the years they win their most important game of the year. ISU fans are afraid to lose this game because who would be a rival for them then.
 
Re: Time to trade ISU or a MAC team for southern BCS teams for recruiting and exposur

My suggestion would be to grab the P12 and some other willing programs and get Fox to pay a boatload for the broadcasting rights.

Believe me, I have taught "student athletes" in the north and south. Most of these southern teams would be decimated if any real academic standards were imposed on their programs.

You have some very good points but the bolded part is really sad. I know you are correct because the academic standards are not as high in the south and there seems to have been more academic cheating scandals from those teams.
 
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