Time to trade ISU or a MAC team for southern BCS teams for recruiting and exposure

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uihawk82

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EDIT: (I am talking about only one game on the schedule) I am bored with the ISU series. Last year I almost sold my 2 tickets right outside Kinnick as I just had a feeling about a crap game. I am not pumped for ISU games the last few years and we knew we would destroy them in 09-10.

I would just as much like to see the AD schedule some home and homes with some texas schools since we are recruiting there. I don't care if replace ISU, W Mich, or a Missouri St on the schedule.

I would be really pumped to play TCU, Clemson, Ole Miss, Georgia and maybe we could get some new recruits from those areas.

Reply back with your thoughts and let us all know if you want to keep ISU or dump them for better, different teams. Thaks
 
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Re: Time to trade ISU or a MAC team for southern BCS teams for recruiting and exposur

My thought is the timing is off a bit. Getting smoked by the likes of TCU, Clemson, Ole Miss and Georgia will not help recruiting in the south. Right now, the team Iowa has, will get smoked by all four of those programs.

The real question we need to ask is not who we should be playing in the south, but how we deal with the expansion of FBS football in the south. Texas and Florida, the prime recruiting states, have more programs moving up to FBS on a consistent basis. That makes the decision of "Come to Iowa and freeze your hind off for six months of the year or go to UTSA and play in a dome" much easier on a kid from Texas.
 
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uihawk82 said:
I am bored with the ISU series. Last year I almost sold my 2 tickets right outside Kinnick as I just had a feeling about a crap game. I am not pumped for ISU games the last few years and we knew we would destroy them in 09-10.

I would just as much like to see the AD schedule some home and homes with some texas schools since we are recruiting there. I don't care if replace ISU, W Mich, or a Missouri St on the schedule.

I would be really pumped to play TCU, Clemson, Ole Miss, Georgia and maybe we could get some new recruits from those areas.

Reply back with your thoughts and let us all know if you want to keep ISU or dump them for better, different teams. Thaks
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Scheduling three additional losses per season is what this would do.
 
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FreedComanche said:
Scheduling three additional losses per season is what this would do.
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I didnt make might myself clear about that. I would replace only one game with a home and home against a southern team. Replace ISU OR a MAC or an FCS I-AA type team (which we wont be scheduling in the future I believe).

Sorry about the confusion of thought.
 
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uihawk82 said:
I am bored with the ISU series. Last year I almost sold my 2 tickets right outside Kinnick as I just had a feeling about a crap game. I am not pumped for ISU games the last few years and we knew we would destroy them in 09-10.

I would just as much like to see the AD schedule some home and homes with some texas schools since we are recruiting there. I don't care if replace ISU, W Mich, or a Missouri St on the schedule.

I would be really pumped to play TCU, Clemson, Ole Miss, Georgia and maybe we could get some new recruits from those areas.

Reply back with your thoughts and let us all know if you want to keep ISU or dump them for better, different teams. Thaks
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First of all none of those schools would schedule a home and home with Iowa.

Secondly minus this year this is the biggest game in the state and it doesn't matter which side you are on. I will give you it is now probably ISU's biggest rivalry since Misery and Nebtard left the conference but that doesn't mean it does not matter. In the long run of the season yes it means more to beat teams in conference but this game trumps them all. If you the OP live out of state I can see your point but most Iowans on either side whether Iowa fans want to admit relish the chance to busts the other teams balls on a daily basis no matter which team wins.
 
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uihawk82 said:
I didnt make might myself clear about that. I would replace only one game with a home and home against a southern team. Replace ISU OR a MAC or an FCS I-AA type team (which we wont be scheduling in the future I believe).

Sorry about the confusion of thought.
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Ok, well, I guess scheduling one additional loss per season is better than three.
 
Re: Time to trade ISU or a MAC team for southern BCS teams for recruiting and exposur

Thanks for the clarification uihawk82.

However, my thought does not change much.

I still believe the real question is the expansion of FBS football in southern states — specifically Texas and Florida.
 
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Doublewide said:
First of all none of those schools would schedule a home and home with Iowa.

Secondly minus this year this is the biggest game in the state and it doesn't matter which side you are on. I will give you it is now probably ISU's biggest rivalry since Misery and Nebtard left the conference but that doesn't mean it does not matter. In the long run of the season yes it means more to beat teams in conference but this game trumps them all. If you the OP live out of state I can see your point but most Iowans on either side whether Iowa fans want to admit relish the chance to busts the other teams balls on a daily basis no matter which team wins.
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I know Georgia hardly ever plays non-conf games away but I dont know why some of those other teams wouldnt play a home and home series and maybe play again 10 years down the line.

No I live in Des MOines but as an example since Fry came to Iowa in 1979 I believe Iowa has had non-conf games against penn st several times, Nebby multiple times, Ucla, NC State, Colorado several times, Syracuse, Pitt, OU, and some Pac 10 teams. But Iowa is playing fewer of these games and Texas teams would be in the same time zone for away games. Most years Northern Illinois would be a somewhat easy win so I would like to see a somewhat tougher non-conf schedule.
 
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chadfrey said:
Thanks for the clarification uihawk82.

However, my thought does not change much.

I still believe the real question is the expansion of FBS football in southern states — specifically Texas and Florida.
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You do make a great point about the increase in number of FBS schools in the south, central Florida, etc and how they can create a decent program in very little time with all the talent down there.
 
Re: Time to trade ISU or a MAC team for southern BCS teams for recruiting and exposur

If you want to fire Kirk, there are ways of doing it that don't involve being embarrassed on national television.
 
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BSpringsteen said:
If you want to fire Kirk, there are ways of doing it that don't involve being embarrassed on national television.
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I dont want KF fired because that would mean this year and next year are terrible. I think KF went conservative also in his recruiting after some of the legal and other problems of 2007 or so and then the two recruiting classes that washed out have led to a dearth of talent.

If the hawks recruit 20-22 recruits a year I think we should be getting a few 4*s per year and almost all the rest as 3*s (even though that is not a perfect predictor).
 
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BSpringsteen said:
If you want to fire Kirk, there are ways of doing it that don't involve being embarrassed on national television.
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LOL................there might be other ways, but that way probably would be the fastest one.
 
Re: Time to trade ISU or a MAC team for southern BCS teams for recruiting and exposur

I wouldn't mind replacing a game against a MAC team with one of these games. I wouldn't even mind if we had to go on the road only once a season. That being said I don't ever want the Cyclone game replaced. I was at the first Iowa-ISU game when the rivalry was renewed in 1977. I like the atmosphere surrounding this game and I know the argument of When we win we should have or the "we have everything to lose" argument. The fact is when we lose that's on us. Historically speaking we have had superior talent over the last 30 years or so. We should expect a win and that's why Iowa is usually favored in these games. I believe we've been favorites the last 12 years and while I think it has resulted in a 6-6 record over this time. That's our fault. Another thing is I agree with the other posters who said the timing is off to play teams from Texas or Florida, etc. We have to be competitive at the least in order for recruiting to pay off. Currently we couldn't stand with any of those teams right now.
 
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Good points, I was at the 1977 game and as you know everyone was totally jacked, Kinnick was electric. maybe I am getting hard to please, I dont know but our non-conf schedule over the last 5-6 years is not electric.
 
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uihawk82 said:
EDIT: (I am talking about only one game on the schedule) I am bored with the ISU series. Last year I almost sold my 2 tickets right outside Kinnick as I just had a feeling about a crap game. I am not pumped for ISU games the last few years and we knew we would destroy them in 09-10.

I would just as much like to see the AD schedule some home and homes with some texas schools since we are recruiting there. I don't care if replace ISU, W Mich, or a Missouri St on the schedule.

I would be really pumped to play TCU, Clemson, Ole Miss, Georgia and maybe we could get some new recruits from those areas.

Reply back with your thoughts and let us all know if you want to keep ISU or dump them for better, different teams. Thaks
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Understand why you would want that, but it takes 2 to tango, what would be the incentive for those teams to come to Iowa City?


Big 12 and Pac 12 already play around robin schedule of 9 games. Big Ten going to that as well. So who you play gets even more selective.

Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan schools, Ohio State, Northwestern do provide access to some larger markets that a southern based school might want to dabble in..

Maybe a Vanderbilt or Georgia Tech, might do it if, only to fill up their own stadiums with an Iowa contingency.

Again makes sense, I think a tough sell , but not an impossible one. Iowa might need to be willing a team like San Diego State in home and home to start which wouldn't be terrible really.
 
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Two Texas schools that have moved up to FBS in the last couple years are Texas State and Texas-San Antonio. Texas State had a pretty good FCS program a few years ago and are coached by some guy named Dennis Franchione. So they may turn out to be a decent team in a couple of years. UTSA is a new program coached by Larry Coker, and jumped right into FBS thanks to playing their games at the Alamodome. This year they have non-con games against Okie State and Arizona. In 2014 they play Arizona, at OSU, and at K. STate. 2015 sees them playing @Arizona, @Okie State, and home vs K. State. Doesn't look like they are afraid of scheduling home and home series against big name talents. Can't find the future schedules for Texas State, but they are in the second game of a home and home against Texas Tech this season.

Texas is also not afraid to schedule home and homes against good opponents as they have them against BYU, 4 games against Neuter Dame, Cal, and USC. Heck, they've even got Ohio State on the schedule for 2022 and 2023! They're just booked up until the 2018 season when they've got an open date to go with USC and @Maryland.
 
Re: Time to trade ISU or a MAC team for southern BCS teams for recruiting and exposur

OP's a big vagina. We loved playing them when we kicked their *** all the time. 10 bucks the OP wouldn't have made this thread after we win tomorrow. He's just being a scared girl
 
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fsanford said:
Understand why you would want that, but it takes 2 to tango, what would be the incentive for those teams to come to Iowa City?
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National TV exposure that is provided by the BTN, ESPN, and soon, Fox Sports? How many of you were able to see the UT-New Mexico State game on LHN, or upcoming games against Kansas and Ole Miss that are also only on the LHN? Heck, even here in Austin only about 25% of the city was able to get the LHN until the 30th of August when TWC FINALLY agreed to pick up the channel.
 
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uihawk82 said:
maybe I am getting hard to please, I dont know.
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You would be far from alone on that one — the good years (like 2002 for example) spoiled all of us. HOWEVER, if you were in Kinnick in 1977 you are like me — old enough to remember how craptastic we were in the 1970s.

We're not that bad again, but we could go there pretty quick.

I don't like having a pair of MAC opponents — but — having EIU is a good game for us to have. It gets us Illinois/Chicago (Not bad recruiting territory there) and a team that is better (right now) than the rest of that conference.

While FBS expands in the south (Appy State, Ga. Southern, Old Dominion and Charlotte on deck for 2015, Georgia State, South Alabama, Texas State and UTSA. transitioning now) we might want to take a serious look at more northern states.

FWIW, Michigan, Illinois and Ohio are strong states for football recruits. In addition to the Big Ten footprint the MAC is all over that as well.
 
Re: Time to trade ISU or a MAC team for southern BCS teams for recruiting and exposur

Go to Dallas and play SMU. Tons of Iowa fans there. Maybe even have the game at JerryWorld.
 
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