this win ties Fran

[redhawk55]

sorry I am one of the few that is not buying into the hype around IU, Crean has to prove he can win on the road
even Fran beat MSU at home in his 1st year and MSU is just as good as IU. winning on the road is never easy in the BT. not to mention beating Purdue when they played them in Frans 1st season.
this team is more talented and deeper thasn they were the last 2 seasons, sorry Indiana does not impress me, I still have more respect for Michigan, MSU and OSU

 

[Section136]

sorry I am one of the few that is not buying into the hype around IU, Crean has to prove he can win on the road
even Fran beat MSU at home in his 1st year and MSU is just as good as IU. winning on the road is never easy in the BT. not to mention beating Purdue when they played them in Frans 1st season.
this team is more talented and deeper thasn they were the last 2 seasons, sorry Indiana does not impress me, I still have more respect for Michigan, MSU and OSU

You are wanted in the football forum.

Thread titled "Looking for some input from other posters".

 

[redhawk55]

How many more games per year does Fran get than these other guys?

Ravelling
1st season 13-15 no postseason play 18 conference game each season BT 6-12
2ND Season 21-11 1st round in NCAA's BT 10-8
3rd season 20-12 1st round in NCAA's BT 10-8
totals 54-38 2-2 NCAA'S 26-28 BT.
Fran needs 54 to tie and 55 to pass Ravelling
Frans 1st season 11-20 0-1 BTT no post season play 4-14 BT
2nd season 18-17 1-1 BTT 1-1 post season play 8-10 BT play
3rd season to date 9-2 before BT play
totals 37-30 2-3 postseason play 12-20 BT play
other than the BTT Fran does not get to play that many more games than Ravelling did.

 

[Foval21]

Ravelling
1st season 13-15 no postseason play 18 conference game each season BT 6-12
2ND Season 21-11 1st round in NCAA's BT 10-8
3rd season 20-12 1st round in NCAA's BT 10-8
totals 54-38 2-2 NCAA'S 26-28 BT.
Fran needs 54 to tie and 55 to pass Ravelling
Frans 1st season 11-20 0-1 BTT no post season play 4-14 BT
2nd season 18-17 1-1 BTT 1-1 post season play 8-10 BT play
3rd season to date 9-2 before BT play
totals 37-30 2-3 postseason play 12-20 BT play
other than the BTT Fran does not get to play that many more games than Ravelling did.

Not to be nit-picky but I notice that each of fran's 1st 2 years his teams played 3 more games than ravelling's teams. That means that if he does tie him and say the same holds true this 3rd yr that he would have the same amount of wins but in nine more tries.

It is like comparing kobe to mj in points. Kobe got there at a younger age but he also took a lot more games to get there.

So though he might tie him he will have needed more games making his win percentage lower. I understand that the talent level was lower when he took over but it is something to think about.

 

[redhawk55]

true enough, but Ravelling started out with Lute's players that just came off a sweet 16, vs what Fran got from Lick, to even be withina couple games at the end of this season is pretty remarkable. and 2 of those were because of postseason play in year 2, and the BTT were 3 of the extra games, its as I said the BTT games are the only real difference between the 2

 

[atomicblue224]

That should be clear to you just from this pic.

Kurt has never been this excited about anything. Ever.

Franispitatically awesome!

 

[Foval21]

true enough, but Ravelling started out with Lute's players that just came off a sweet 16, vs what Fran got from Lick, to even be withina couple games at the end of this season is pretty remarkable. and 2 of those were because of postseason play in year 2, and the BTT were 3 of the extra games, its as I said the BTT games are the only real difference between the 2

One more time...if fran ties him he will do it in at least 9 more games.

This will mean that they have equal number of wins. But fran would have the lower win percentage. To me win percentage means more than wins when they play more games per yr.

I admit fran started from a much lower talent pool. Making what he is doing very impressive. But it won't change the fact that he would need more games to get the same amount of wins.

It is like saying hayden winning 9 games in a yr is the same as if kf winning 9 games in a yr. Hayden's teams played less games per yr making the win percentage greater andthat would make it a little harder to do.

 

[redhawk55]

if you are going by the extra games take off the 1 win and 2 losses in the BT, Ravelling went 2-2 in the Dance his 3 seasons, and the whole idea is getting into post season play,
other than the BTT little difference, Ravelling coached 18 conference games, Fran coaches 18 conference games and that's what matters, Fran made it to the post season in year 2 and Ravelling made it in year 2
Ravelling
year 1 13-15 no post season play 6-12 BTP...... Fran year 1 11-2O 4-12 0-1 BTP
year 2 21-11 10-8 BTP 1-1 NCAA...... Fran year 2 18-17 8-10 1-1 BTP 1-1 NIT
Year 3 20-12 10-8 BTP 1-1 NCAA...... Fran year 3 to date 11-2 OOC PLAY

 

[HawkeyeShane]

Call me an idiot, but I just assumed Fran had passed Lick by halfway through season 1...

 

[Foval21]

if you are going by the extra games take off the 1 win and 2 losses in the BT, Ravelling went 2-2 in the Dance his 3 seasons, and the whole idea is getting into post season play,
other than the BTT little difference, Ravelling coached 18 conference games, Fran coaches 18 conference games and that's what matters, Fran made it to the post season in year 2 and Ravelling made it in year 2
Ravelling
year 1 13-15 no post season play 6-12 BTP...... Fran year 1 11-2O 4-12 0-1 BTP
year 2 21-11 10-8 BTP 1-1 NCAA...... Fran year 2 18-17 8-10 1-1 BTP 1-1 NIT
Year 3 20-12 10-8 BTP 1-1 NCAA...... Fran year 3 to date 11-2 OOC PLAY

Yr 1 - ravelling 2 more wins in 3 less games.

Yr 2 - 3 more wins in 3 less games.

Ncaa much greater than nit.

Ravelling 54 wins out of 92 games...win % of 58

Fran 40 wins out of 72 games...win % of 55

When you look at win percentage number of games matters...higher % in higher games is more impressive. Winning the same number of games in more tries less impressive. Try to follow that logic.

 

[HawkeyeShane]

Raveling: Took over for Lute

Fran: Took over for Lick

I don't think we need to discuss who was/is "more impressive" between the two...it's apples and oranges. I just wish George had stayed at Iowa to be a recruiter for Mr. Davis...they made a good combo, unintentionally...

 

[Foval21]

Raveling: Took over for Lute

Fran: Took over for Lick

I don't think we need to discuss who was/is "more impressive" between the two...it's apples and oranges. I just wish George had stayed at Iowa to be a recruiter for Mr. Davis...they made a good combo, unintentionally...

I don't disagree with you. What fran has done is more impressive considering where each started. My only contention is that fran will have needed at least 9 more games to get there. You can't fault him for it because he works with what he has and you can't just ignore those nine games.

Like I said earlier kobe reached a point total at a younger age than mj but also took a lot more games. Hayden winning 9 games is different than kf winning 9 games because of the number of games played. You just can't look at wins when comparing from 2 different eras. Win percentage must be factored in. (Or how long/many games it took to get there) it is the reason their was an asterisk next to maris's homerun record for yrs...he needed more games to break the record.

 

[HawkeyeShane]

I don't disagree with you. What fran has done is more impressive considering where each started. My only contention is that fran will have needed at least 9 more games to get there. You can't fault him for it because he works with what he has and you can't just ignore those nine games.

Like I said earlier kobe reached a point total at a younger age than mj but also took a lot more games. Hayden winning 9 games is different than kf winning 9 games because of the number of games played. You just can't look at wins when comparing from 2 different eras. Win percentage must be factored in. (Or how long/many games it took to get there) it is the reason their was an asterisk next to maris's homerun record for yrs...he needed more games to break the record.

Good stuff, Foval!