BroderickHawk
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He probably hasn't forgotten how to train people, but after rhabdo-mania he's probably (read definitely) doing things differently now.
This isnt just a bad team
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He probably hasn't forgotten how to train people, but after rhabdo-mania he's probably (read definitely) doing things differently now.
aaronzuriel
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Would you please tell me and everyone else... some real evidence how this team and any IOWA Football team has QUIT?
You quit... you a punk and you have no idea what quitting is all about.
SpiderRico
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Lay off the sauce dude...
First of all, WOW you guys are some over-reaction types. The worst team in the Ferentz era? The 2nd worst program in the league? Please cool your jets.
Second, it's a huge misconception to purely blame the coaches. The coaches are the same every year.
From year to year, the players are the ones making the wins and the losses. I'm not talking about abstract analysis of sports in general, but I'm talking about the way football is, at every level. Go back to 2009, I bet a lot of people would say that Iowa had one of the best coaching staffs in the nation. Now, we need a clean house, they all suck...
The fact is, in 2009, Iowa had tons of hungry guys that stuck together, battled hard, clearly worked out really hard, and just generally had a bad-*** mentality. We don't have that anymore. It's no one's fault really, but if anything it's this batch of players' fault.
I think if you were to ask people that really know what it's like to be on the inside of a football program, they'd tell you: it's all about the players. The players, and the identity, attitude, and spirit they create is what makes the team. (aka leadership is the key)
If anything, a coach like Ferentz is the common denominator, nothing about Ferentz has changed. The players have changed. Do the players deserve to criticized and hated? No, probably not. But to say, "Hey! don't you talk bad about those boys! They're working their tails off!" if stupid.
Sure they're working hard, representing the school. But they're the ones performing, and performing with mediocrity. Criticizing the players is not out of bounds.
Unless of course, you are blaming the coaches for poor recruiting... culminating in this team having a bad roster. That's a different debate
Second, it's a huge misconception to purely blame the coaches. The coaches are the same every year.
From year to year, the players are the ones making the wins and the losses. I'm not talking about abstract analysis of sports in general, but I'm talking about the way football is, at every level. Go back to 2009, I bet a lot of people would say that Iowa had one of the best coaching staffs in the nation. Now, we need a clean house, they all suck...
The fact is, in 2009, Iowa had tons of hungry guys that stuck together, battled hard, clearly worked out really hard, and just generally had a bad-*** mentality. We don't have that anymore. It's no one's fault really, but if anything it's this batch of players' fault.
I think if you were to ask people that really know what it's like to be on the inside of a football program, they'd tell you: it's all about the players. The players, and the identity, attitude, and spirit they create is what makes the team. (aka leadership is the key)
If anything, a coach like Ferentz is the common denominator, nothing about Ferentz has changed. The players have changed. Do the players deserve to criticized and hated? No, probably not. But to say, "Hey! don't you talk bad about those boys! They're working their tails off!" if stupid.
Sure they're working hard, representing the school. But they're the ones performing, and performing with mediocrity. Criticizing the players is not out of bounds.
Unless of course, you are blaming the coaches for poor recruiting... culminating in this team having a bad roster. That's a different debate
I watched the players very closely,especially on defense,late in this game,and I saw guys sprinting as hard as they can run to the ball.....they have not quit...that is BS.
Now,that said, the problem is that even tho they are running hard,they cannot run fast enough...at least some of them.
If they fall on the onside kick vs CMU and get a couple of stops vs PU,IU and ISU,they could easily be 8-3 or 7-4...but this is the worst Iowa team since 2000 or 1999 anyway.
We are clearly reaping the non-benefits of bad recruiting classes from 2008 and 2007, and so this is pretty predictable.
The recruiting classes of 2010,2012 and 2011 are better,and the two deep has a lot of numbers,so also predictable is that we are hitting bottom this year,will get a little better next year,and by 2014 be in the hunt again.
KF is not going anywhere,so chill out gang...negativity is self-fulfilling at some point...take the pain...just take it,and look for small victories now....lets try to ruin the Cornhuskers title hopes next week.
Now,that said, the problem is that even tho they are running hard,they cannot run fast enough...at least some of them.
If they fall on the onside kick vs CMU and get a couple of stops vs PU,IU and ISU,they could easily be 8-3 or 7-4...but this is the worst Iowa team since 2000 or 1999 anyway.
We are clearly reaping the non-benefits of bad recruiting classes from 2008 and 2007, and so this is pretty predictable.
The recruiting classes of 2010,2012 and 2011 are better,and the two deep has a lot of numbers,so also predictable is that we are hitting bottom this year,will get a little better next year,and by 2014 be in the hunt again.
KF is not going anywhere,so chill out gang...negativity is self-fulfilling at some point...take the pain...just take it,and look for small victories now....lets try to ruin the Cornhuskers title hopes next week.
papathawki
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Did you ever play on a team that just wasn't very good? If so, did you, and everyone else on the team, quit? Athletes at almost every level don't QUIT!! We won 1 game in HS my senior year and none of us quit. We just weren't very good.
aaronzuriel
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OK racer... you be one of the few people that posts on the board and admits they donate money, buy tickets and follow the Hawkeyes on the road.
This certainly matters an gives you something to ***** about... a bit.
Many other posters have never donated any money, never bought any tickets, let alone supported the Hawks by attending an away game. If only everyone who hasn't done all these three things please shut up? Please shut up and prove otherwise.
In the mean time it does not matter... you can't be dissin' on some amateur "student-athletes"
clicheusername3
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Of course not.
kicker22
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The problem is were talking about being one or two plays away from beating three of the worst teams on our schedule (ISU questionable). Where I can't say that we lack the strength and conditioning to compete, it is becoming increasingly evident that we do infact lack the athleticism and speed to compete. While I want to stay positive and think this will all pass over, I simply don't see that happening. I understand the optimism and will continue to support this team the fact is without major changes I don't see it getting any better.
cuinknk
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Fans say the team has quit as justification for quitting on the team, and not watching. This team isn't very good, but they sure as hell haven't quit.
kicker22
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The problem isn't necessarily that they quit but mentally they are not there. We have struggled against running quarterbacks all year and that is nothing new, however the coverage or lack there of was absolutely inexcusable. The first 6 possessions of the game we can't keep them out of the endzone and at one point they had converted on 8-10 3rd downs, many of which were 3rd and longs. The fact is we've struggled offensively all season and as a fan base I think many of us were expecting that. However for our secondary to be shredded and picked apart the way they were, is unexplainable. What is taking place on the field is giving fans the impression that they've packed it up and thrown in the towel. Fans don't simply make things like this up the fact is they're seeing a lack of production on the field which they're basing their opinion off of.
tubahawk
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Do you realize you said; "This isn't a bad team and stop blaming the players", then gave three examples illustrating why this is a bad team by blaming the players?
1hawkeye1
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As much as I dislike it, it would be more costly to buy out Ferentz.
Saginawbay
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We have a long way too go for certain. Right now the problem is not talent on the field, you can play hard, execute, tackle all those things, but cannot do it without quality players, and we do not have that right now.
We're not very good on the field be it the competence of our players or the coaching of them. That is Barta's and Ferentz's responsibility. To be the worst team in the Big10 at the end of the year was defintely not in the plan. Ferentz has to understand how he got here to be able to correct it, and if he's not up to that task and the changes it will require, he should bow out and throw out his contract and do what is best for the university. Take a reasonable settlement and not take them to the cleaners because he was given an ubelieveable contract. Unless Ferentz is a crazy spender, (and as conservative as he is I would think he is not), he has plenty of dough already.
If he doesn't "take them to the cleaners" I'd question his sanity.
This is big boy business, maybe start with the guy who awarded said largesse would be the jumping off place on who to fire.
Then you don't watch very closely, very well. Get the tape and watch the last rushing TD by Gardner.
Watch 44 and 20 on that play "very closely." They concede the play when Gardner is about at the 5.
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coralville
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our team is full of "Mac scraps"
