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lol, yeah it did seem like it. I just thought they would have killed us with 3's.
This game plan is insane...
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lol, yeah it did seem like it. I just thought they would have killed us with 3's.
Cover3
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We weren't necessarily in 'scramble mode' from not getting back in time due to running. I would call it more 'constant disarray' mode tonight, even when they set up the offense.
Agree to a point with the first post I quoted here, in that our 3/4 court trap does get burnt WAY more than it produces turnovers, but 1) we were 'scrambling' tonight out of a 2-3 zone as well, so . . . and 2) I don't think that pertains much to 'pushing the pace' per se.
Agree the press was not the reason Iowa was scrambling on defense. Iowa's awareness on the defensive end is just awful. Just one guy around the basket with his head turned the wrong way can lead to easy baskets. Defense is about effort and awareness and athletic ability. Athletic ability can cover up some awareness issues but in the long run defense is more a state of mind than anything. I think that is why it is so frustrating to see such poor defense. I don't think you can make offensive players but I think you should be able to make anyone a good defensive player.
greghammel
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The problem was inside the paint... the key comment at the beginning of the game was "McCabe on Zeller is an interesting match-up". It is because Iowa does not have a true CENTER until next year.
This game would have been much different with some inside anger. If Indiana wanted to they could have slowed the pace down and beat us that way too! Iowa wanted to run and Indiana didn't mind... worked out well for both teams, Indiana is just better at it right now because of Zeller.
I didn't see anything surprising in this game that I didn't see coming prior to the start.
This game would have been much different with some inside anger. If Indiana wanted to they could have slowed the pace down and beat us that way too! Iowa wanted to run and Indiana didn't mind... worked out well for both teams, Indiana is just better at it right now because of Zeller.
I didn't see anything surprising in this game that I didn't see coming prior to the start.
greghammel
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It has been a bad season for Cartwright compared to last year because of injury and now he seems to be pressing himself and not playing to the game like last season. Love the guy for coming here and helping Iowa Basketball get back on its feet. Same for Gatens... would have been real nice to see Gatens on a loaded Hawkeye team instead of the garbage he had to put up with under the previous coach. Oh well... at least this loss was more fun to watch than the 62-44 games.
HawkeyeTech
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Fran is coaching for the future. He wants his players to be used to playing at that pace, no reason to slow it down and not have them learn how to compete in the type of game they're going to be playing. The benefits will show next year with a deeper more talented team.
WhiteThunder
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Iowa has 3 centers, but unfortunately they are all a liability on offense and rarely play.
Our offense was great when we didn't have Cartwright playing out of control. Hard to complain when you shoot 63%.
When you give up as many offensive rebounds as you have total rebounds there isn't much else to say.
bcl20
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Rebounding would have made their fg% look a hell of a lot better and Iowa would have won that game. It's so infuriating. I still can't get over the fact that they got 18 offensive rebounds.
SteveGarvey
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Sort of like Hooker at Fredricksburg or Lee at Gettysburg. Keep running your soldiers against the opposition who has the advantage of the high ground, wave after wave until you have a disaster.
I know, it's a crazy Civil War reference but I believe it somewhat fits.
SteveGarvey
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My bad, it was Burnside at Fredricksburg.
atomicblue224
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i was thinking hamburger hill hill#937 at ap bia mountain in vietnam in may 1969. just like this year team facing uphill battle.
1hawkeye1
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What's insane is changing the offensive strategy throughout the season. We are a running team. We are going to run.
atomicblue224
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so many lost but yet not give up
atomicblue224
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think about those young men who faces extreme odds capturing that hill 937. i see players who are facing battles . matt is like platoon leader silent but good leader, and cartwright is like point and may is like a doc brommer is like rear. marble is radioman. theyre all the few the proud the hawkeyes!
tm3308
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The difference here is that we're instilling things now, even if at the detriment of winning this second, so that when better players get in the program we can hit the ground running (literally).
There's actually a long-term benefit to what we're doing, where doing the same thing unsuccessfully in war just gets everybody killed until you have to surrender.
hawkIhoops
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McCaffrey did not inherit an embarassment of riches from Lickliter and that continues to rear its ugly head. We have guys that really don't fit, but are forced to play them because they are here. With that being said, I am not sure I understand why our D is so brutal. It appears we still have guys that don't know how to rotate or recognize when somebody is unguarded.
I agree wholeheartedly. We have absolutely zero inside right now. I don't see anyone boxing out. I think Aaron white can box out but we need guys that know how to rebound. The percentages of where a ball will end up. I see a lot of effort out of guys like Archie, but I don't see guys that just get it. We need some size. This is #1 on what's killing us. #2 would have to be shooters. Matt Gatens and Josh Oglesby are our 2 shooters. I honestly think Oglesby is a better pure shooter but seriously lacking in confidence. Last night I saw him pass first and hesitate on an open shot, and then find Gatens or someone else. He needs to learn to launch. He can do it. When he finally did start firing it up, which was after the game had gotten away, he just started raining 3's. I think this guy is one of the best pure shooters we've ever had. He needs to get a little cocky. Same with Marble. He's not a great shooter but he can get his shot any time he wants as good as anyone in the league. He needs to get cocky. Add this with some size down low and next year I think we've got a chance.
As far as the gameplan last night, yes we gave up too many open looks down low. With shooters, this offense will be something special. I enjoyed the game except the outcome. It can and will work. Help is on the way and I just hope everyone stays the course. I'm very high on the future of this ball club.
