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espn showing all this reverence for paterno; people praying in his yard, wearing stuff with his name on it, referring to his dumpy old house as a "cathedral"
WTF people, get a clue, the guy enabled for decades a monster who raped children! :mad::mad::mad:
 
Ok they dont get it over at Pedaphile State University. Oh well we always knew they were arrogant ********. This just proves it.
 
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The University enabled him. Seriously people need to wake the heck up, 85 year olds running football programs is just ridiculious. 75 is stretching it. JoePa is clueless and as been for the last 10 years. Just listen to him, he is lost. He sits up in the booth on gameday's and stares into space.
 
HawkPrdatr40 said:
The University enabled him. Seriously people need to wake the heck up, 85 year olds running football programs is just ridiculious. 75 is stretching it. JoePa is clueless and as been for the last 10 years. Just listen to him, he is lost. He sits up in the booth on gameday's and stares into space.
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He wasn't starting off into space, he was praying for all the victims of his buddy.
 
I'm getting really sick of Tom Bradley talking about the children and victims. He doesnt give a shhit about the kids. That whole staff needs to go. Oh and dont be surprised when it comes out that players knew about Sandusky, for all of you that think the players are completely innocent.
 
I can see Iowa fans acting like this. Some already worship KF who has accomplished far less than Joe.
 
tksirius said:
I'm getting really sick of Tom Bradley talking about the children and victims. He doesnt give a shhit about the kids. That whole staff needs to go. Oh and dont be surprised when it comes out that players knew about Sandusky, for all of you that think the players are completely innocent.
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Give it a rest!! That is sickening for you to say. You should be ashamed to say that the players knew.
 
HawkPrdatr40 said:
tksirius said:
I'm getting really sick of Tom Bradley talking about the children and victims. He doesnt give a shhit about the kids. That whole staff needs to go. Oh and dont be surprised when it comes out that players knew about Sandusky, for all of you that think the players are completely innocent.
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Give it a rest!! That is sickening for you to say. You should be ashamed to say that the players knew.
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Really jerk? Wasn't that long ago a couple psu players got in trouble for making prank phone calls to someone. Take a guess who they were calling. Yup, his initials are J.S. You telling me they didnt know? Wake the **** up!
 
ok one still has to be very naive to think no players knew. Do you think no one else on the coaching staff knew? Did Jay Paterno know? If other coaches knew, players knew. Just ask Barry Switzer.
 
smoot27 said:
I can see Iowa fans acting like this. Some already worship KF who has accomplished far less than Joe.
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I think this is where your wrong. Supporting or "worshipping" someone based on what they've accomplished on the field is one thing. This isn't even about football. That's what bothers me this isn't about what happens on the field this is about real life and lives have been affected and destroyed. Paterno was a fantastic coach and one of the best ever, however this isn't about football and nothing he did on the grid iron carries over or should be used to justify the error that he made off of it.
 
The whole thing just ticked me off more actually. The players gathering in the middle of the field to pray before the game? Give me a frickin' break. Just play the damn game and go to church tomorrow. Enough already.
 
smoot27 said:
I can see Iowa fans acting like this. Some already worship KF who has accomplished far less than Joe.
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While I don't "worship" KF, I certainly respect him regardless of my disagreements with some of his game-day decisions.

From my admittedly limited personal contact with KF, I can say with about 99.999% certainty that KF would NEVER, EVER enable a child rapist on the University of Iowa campus. Ever.
 
ThunderHawk said:
While I don't "worship" KF, I certainly respect him regardless of my disagreements with some of his game-day decisions.

From my admittedly limited personal contact with KF, I can say with about 99.999% certainty that KF would NEVER, EVER enable a child rapist on the University of Iowa campus. Ever.
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I understand you feeling this way, and wanting to feel this way, but seeing what happend at Pedo State, nothing would surprise me anymore. Yes, if this happened at Nebraska, I would be shocked initially, and I would want to deny that it happened, but once the shock wore off, I would be MORE ****** than I am at Paterno and the whole Pedo State administration and football staff.

I would hope that if, let's say, Tom Osborne did something similar, we thow him into the hole for the rest of his life, and throw away the key. I certainly hope and think that Mr. Davis never would do something like this, but you just never know.

I was shocked when this came out about JoePa and PSU, so I cannot say with 100% certainty that it did not happen anywhere else, you just hope that it didn't.
 
74Hunter said:
I understand you feeling this way, and wanting to feel this way, but seeing what happend at Pedo State, nothing would surprise me anymore. Yes, if this happened at Nebraska, I would be shocked initially, and I would want to deny that it happened, but once the shock wore off, I would be MORE ****** than I am at Paterno and the whole Pedo State administration and football staff.

I would hope that if, let's say, Tom Osborne did something similar, we thow him into the hole for the rest of his life, and throw away the key. I certainly hope and think that Mr. Davis never would do something like this, but you just never know.

I was shocked when this came out about JoePa and PSU, so I cannot say with 100% certainty that it did not happen anywhere else, you just hope that it didn't.
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RE Tom Osborne...Hello, Lawrence Phillips.

KF had two players accused of sexual assault. They were banished quicker than you can say Get The F Out!

Of course we also have the case of Pierre Pierce. Steve Alford, the dishonorable man that he is, eventually paid with his job at Iowa for that travesty.

I just can't see a risk-averse guy like KF making the calculation that he could cover up such an atrocity as JoeFail did, irrespective of any considerations of basic decency and honor.
 
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RE Tom Osborne...Hello, Lawrence Phillips.
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While I will not defend anything that LP did, and time has shown that he is an extremely disturbed person, you cannot compare one account of misdemeanor assault to the sexual assault of numerous children, and the coverup of said crimes by the university. As deplorable of a human being as LP is, there is no comparision to the two situations.

And, as time has shown, obviously TO did the wrong thing with Phillips. He tried giving the guy a second chance, and even though he kept he nose clean for a couple of months, he did not learn his lesson. TO had given second (and possibly third) chances to other players, and they turned out ok. LP was one where he was wrong.

Edit: There has been no other scandals/situations in sports that compare. I normally agree with you, but in this statement, I whole-heartedly disagree. If I wanted to make a comparsion or throw stones, I could bring up Iowa's rhabo situation, but that would be insulting and flat out wrong.
 
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74Hunter said:
While I will not defend anything that LP did, and time has shown that he is an extremely disturbed person, you cannot compare one account of misdemeanor assault to the sexual assault of numerous children, and the coverup of said crimes by the university. As deplorable of a human being as LP is, there is no comparision to the two situations.

And, as time has shown, obviously TO did the wrong thing with Phillips. He tried giving the guy a second chance, and even though he kept he nose clean for a couple of months, he did not learn his lesson. TO had given second (and possibly third) chances to other players, and they turned out ok. LP was one where he was wrong.

Edit: There has been no other scandals/situations in sports that compare. I normally agree with you, but in this statement, I whole-heartedly disagree. If I wanted to make a comparsion or throw stones, I could bring up Iowa's rhabo situation, but that would be insulting and flat out wrong.
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To clarify, I'm in no way comparing LP dragging his GF down the stairs by her hair with enabling child rape. I'm only saying that even Osborne was susceptible to putting success on the field over doing the morally correct thing. And he regrets it to this day.

I agree that Osborne would not have enabled a child rapist on his campus.
 
ThunderHawk said:
To clarify, I'm in no way comparing LP dragging his GF down the stairs by her hair with enabling child rape. I'm only saying that even Osborne was susceptible to putting success on the field over doing the morally correct thing. And he regrets it to this day.

I agree that Osborne would not have enabled a child rapist on his campus.
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Ok, gotcha. I agree with everything you are saying except the bolded, and I don't totally disagree with that statement. Unfortunately, at the time of LP, he felt like he was helping the player by giving him a second chance, and it came back to bite him in the backside.

If you are saying that after the time of his assault, TO put LP back the field to win games (or specifically Florida), I would disagree with you wholeheartedly, and I think that history would support my opinion. If you are saying that he took risks with at risk players in the attempt to win games, I would agree with you 100%. I wish that if he could do it over, he would give them 1 strike and out.

He absolutely took chances with guys like C. Peter, LP, Tyrone Williams, Riley Washington, Reggie Baul, Shevin Wiggins etc,. Did it benefit the program? Sure. But some of these guys actually turned their lives around and have become decent citizens. Some "disadvantaged" youths that were brought into the program made very good decisions and turned their lives around in a positive manner, even though they were not major contributors on the football field. But I guess that could be said about any program.

Unfortunately, some remained screwups, and TO's reputation (and in the opinion of some, his legacy) took a hit. And deservedly so. Now JoePa's rep and legacy will take a hit. A much bigger hit, IMO.
 
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74Hunter said:
Ok, gotcha. I agree with everything you are saying except the bolded, and I don't totally disagree with that statement. Unfortunately, at the time of LP, he felt like he was helping the player by giving him a second chance, and it came back to bite him in the backside.

If you are saying that after the time of his assault, TO put LP back the field to win games (or specifically Florida), I would disagree with you wholeheartedly, and I think that history woudl support my opinion. If you are saying that he took risks with at risk players in the attempt to win games, I would agree with you 100%.

He absolutely took chances with guys like C. Peter, LP, Tyrone Williams, Riley Washington, Reggie Baul, Shevin Wiggins etc,. Did it benefit the program? Sure. But some of these guys actually turned their lives around and have become decent citizens. Some "at risk" youths that were brought into the program made very good decisions and turned their lives around in a positive manner, even though they were not major contributors on the football field.

Unfortunately, some remained screwups, and TO's reputation (and in the opinion of some, his legacy) took a hit. And deservedly so.
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It's difficult to assign motives on the LP situation given Osborne's earlier success with turning guys around. I do remember at the time that there was a lot of cynicism and outrage directed at Osborne for allowing LP to play in the Fiesta Bowl. It did as you say tarnish his legacy regardless of what his overriding motives were. LP's rotten life after Nebraska certainly didn't help with the optics of it all.
 
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