The Truth behind 40 times

okeefe4prez said:
Given Aaron Ross's lightning quick 40 times, I have used some back of the envelope calculations to conclude that Andy Brodell can run a sub 4 40.

‪WR Andy Brodell Highlights‬‏ - YouTube

Oh man, I love watching these highlights of O'Keefe's well-timed WR screens going for big gains. If only we would have had an Andy Brodell caliber WR on the 2010 team so O'Keefe could have called one when 'Zona kept blitzing, the season may have turned out completely different.
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Assuming that were true, then Brodell COULD run sub-4.4. He lost a step or two after he tore his hamstring in '07.
 


Point is we are talking about D1 ball. Not the pros. We are trying to figure out what those 40 times out there mean when looking at a D1 player.
For those of you that dont want to do your homework today. I will do my "good deed" :) for the day.
If you read my above post Prater trains with Paul. Paul used to play across from Prince. Now for a look at how this all works Nfl draft scout had Prince at a 4.38, with a 4.35 low and a 4.52 high. (I think he ran a 4.37 for the pros)
On the other hand Prater who Paul speaks very highly about, according to nfl draft scout has Prater at a 4.49 with a 4.38 low and a 4.58 high.
That is how the numbers get scewed. I am not saying Prater can run a 4.38, I am just trying to show how far the numbers vary.
 


Does it mater that the times are off? contextually the rating of player speed would still be some what accurate. It is just used as a gauge to see who is faster, smaller time= faster player.
Still the time really doesn't mater without pads or a ball.
 


You realize what this means? Under no circumstances can this information find it's way to SEC country. It could cause an uprising of epic proportions in the south if all that speed was questioned.
 


kicker22 said:
You realize what this means? Under no circumstances can this information find it's way to SEC country. It could cause an uprising of epic proportions in the south if all that speed was questioned.
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The article is not saying that they arnt fast, it is just saying that the metric of recording it is off. If players are having faster 40s than others they are still faster.
 


In defense of Aaron Ross and that Texas secondary they probably looked at the film and got overconfident. Iowa receivers that year dropped a ton of passes. Texas secondary talked a lot smack that game and fortunately their technique was sloppy and lackadaisical and Brodell was able to exploit it. Taking nothing away from Brodell's athleticism the Texas secondary thought that showing up would be enough.
 


hawkfan2679 said:
Probably, but his is a perfect example of the disproportionate times that can come out about kids. There is no way he ran a 4.28 at any point, unless he was running about a 38 yard dash. I have no doubts that 4.5 speed at Morningside is going to be plenty fast.
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I think Wegher would be considered a 4.4 kid based on the current football speed perception. he wasa fine track athlete, and could run the 100m in under 11.0s. That is not Ben Johnson on Horse steroids fast, but it is good speed.
 


What is the 40 yard dash time of Usain Bolt

I realize this is just a wiki answers link so take it for what it's worth.

According to IAAF Analysis Split Times, Usain Bolt ran his FIRST 40m in 4.65 seconds. Subtracting his reaction time which was .165 seconds, he ran the 40m in 4.485 seconds. 40 yards is a totally different measurement than 40 meters. 40 yards is equal to approximately 36.576m
By simple ratio:
(40m/4.485)=(36.576m/X)
X=( 36.576 / (40/4.485) )
Usain Bolt's 40 yard dash would be:
A blazing 4.100 seconds!!!!!
and considering the human error in hand-timed timing used in most combine settings, this time could easily be read as 3.85 seconds at the NFL Combine!!!!
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ICHawk24 said:
They are manual. It is amusing to see all the scouts with stopwatches clustered around the finish line.

Also agree with others than you can compare combine times to other combine times, but not to individual pro days. The track conditions are such a huge factor and so divergent between pro days. Heck, DJK was running times in some warehouse/workout facility in IC.
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With so much money on the line, and so much access to good technology, why would they trust these times to manual timing?

I would think that they would want electronically timed, accurate results.
 


trj said:
In defense of Aaron Ross and that Texas secondary they probably looked at the film and got overconfident. Iowa receivers that year dropped a ton of passes. Texas secondary talked a lot smack that game and fortunately their technique was sloppy and lackadaisical and Brodell was able to exploit it. Taking nothing away from Brodell's athleticism the Texas secondary thought that showing up would be enough.
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And in the end it was, wasn't it?
 








There is a huge difference between TRACK speed and FOOTBALL speed. That's why the 40 times some of these guys run are irrelevant when you get them on the football field. You could have player A outrun player B in the 40, but when you slap 30 pounds of equipment on them and put them on grass, player B will outrun player A. Not to mention a lot of football speed involves being able to move laterally at the same speed as going forward in a straight line...
 


olddude said:
Yes I did read it. But I also saw Coker outrun Mizzery's secondary. I watched T-mart out run some teams as well. You are right the numbers are scewed and if they can be wrong by almost .5 down they can be off by .5 up as well. I was being smart about "how fast" Nebby is. Yes t-mart and Dennard can run, I have never said they couldnt. Like the article says, how fast can they run compared to everyone else playing. I asked that of a Nebby fan before. (over 90% of D1 players was the answer).
Me I would rather have a back that has trained to carry the ball, runs up tp .5 slower and has 25-30+ more lbs. But hey thats me.
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I was trying to figure out how T-Mart got brought into this as well. Not sure why you feel so inferior to DoNU that you have to take a cheap shot at us for no good reason.

BTW, if you don't think that T-Mart is fast, faster than 90% (or better) of the guys playing Div 1 football (when healthy), then you had better think again. FWIW, I think his 40 time coming out of high school was listed as either 4.4 or 4.5.
 


ICHawk24 said:
They are manual. It is amusing to see all the scouts with stopwatches clustered around the finish line.

Also agree with others than you can compare combine times to other combine times, but not to individual pro days. The track conditions are such a huge factor and so divergent between pro days. Heck, DJK was running times in some warehouse/workout facility in IC.
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You sure he wasn't doing anything ELSE in that warehouse? Just sayin'...
 


trj said:
I don't know if I can go quite there.......speed is a difference maker. Save the Paul Chaney stuff. Don't get it twisted, don't let that article fool you speed matters.
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Of COURSE it matters. But it's nowhere NEAR a guarantee of success on the field.

More significant might be the improvements one sees from players. Bob Sanders arrived at Iowa with times in mid-4.5s to low-4.6s. He was timed anywhere from 4.33 to 4.38 by the time he left IOWA. That's pretty significant, especially since he wasn't known for his speed.

I don't let articles fool me, BTW. I just don't much credence in 40 times. We've ALL seen DBs with 4.5 speed do great jobs covering the 4.3 WRs. Speed is but one factor.
 


GM used to be the standard to which all others were measured.
The 40 will go the way of GM...it's a bogus comparitive tool.
 






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