The times they are a changin

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Miami Fla hasn't won a bowl game since 2006 - currently 4-3

V-Tech perennial power with HOFamer Beamer - currently 3-5

Georgia Tech, lots of recent success - currently 3-5

Texas, legendary program - currently 3-4

Nebraska, brought into the B1G because of its football reputation - currently 3-5

Oregon, a dominant program in recent history - currently 4-3

USC, legendary program - currently 4-3

Colorado, they used to go to a bowl every year. Last bowl victory was 2004 - currently 4-4

Washington, when Kirk took over Iowa they were a respected Pac-10 power - currently 3-4

South Carolina, under Spurrier they were elevated to a different level - currently 3-4

Tenn, under Phil Fulmer they were a perennial SEC power - currently 3-4

Arkansas, it wasn't too long ago they expected their seasons to end with a prestigious bowl game - currently 3-4

Auburn, nice history and won a national title under Chizik - currently 4-3

Mizzou, spent years working their way toward respectability - currently 4-4

As people like to remind me, it's hard to get to the top. Even harder to stay there.
 
I think all it shows is football is hard to win at consistently. Just look at Iowa... a few good years, a few bad years.
 
Wow. Interesting info on teams. Thx.
IA took a few bumps along the way.
Recruiting is a HUGE part of college success, IMHO.
Solid ( good people ) coaches and fans huge also.

Gotta love Hawkeye fans and community support. Good people, families, tradition, values.

People are also surprised to learn just how many players go on to the NFL from Lil old IA.

Kinnick and its tradition for fun and good football begins with kids and citizens who work hard and enjoy Big 10 football setting. Its so much fun.
 
okieviaiowa said:
Colorado ... hard to believe how far they have fallen from their national champ season in the early 90s
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I know what you mean however their successful years were short lived. They were terrible before the 90's and have been terrible since then.


Miami, has no history apart from 1983-2003
 
NCHawker said:
I know what you mean however their successful years were short lived. They were terrible before the 90's and have been terrible since then.


Miami, has no history apart from 1983-2003
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In the 80s I think people became convinced that the state of Fla could sustain 3 elite programs. It hasn't worked out that way. Though for 20 years that state certainly dominated college football.

I also find Colorado an interesting story. Both IA and CO have participated in 28 bowl games. CO winning 12 and Iowa winning 14. Bill McCartney really got things turned around. IIRC between 1985 and 2005 they missed a bowl game only twice. Their last bowl game was 2007 so indeed they have fallen off the map.
 
okieviaiowa said:
Colorado ... hard to believe how far they have fallen from their national champ season in the early 90s
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Washington, too. I remember how dominant they were 1990-91 or so. Hawks got blasted by them in the Rose Bowl.. Same thing happened to Michigan the next year in the RB. Washington has pretty much been dog meat ever since.
 
okieviaiowa said:
Colorado ... hard to believe how far they have fallen from their national champ season in the early 90s
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Bill McCartney was a great coach and recruiter. ESPiN has a 30 for 30 coming out on him this fall. I don't think they've had a winning season since they forced Gary Barnett to resign back in 2005 or 06. They were pretty consistent with Barnett and so-so with Neuheisel before him, using a lot of McCartney's recruits. Not sure what their practice facilities are these days, but you would think that recruiting to there would be easy, but they do sit isolated, distance wise, from almost everyone they play. Can't imagine they have an identity (yet alone a rivalry) in the Pac-12 yet either.

One of my all time fondest memories of Hawk games was when Iowa came out to Boulder to play in 1992 (Had to look it up, as it was NOT one of our better years, finishing 5-7, but the Hawks were ahead of the #10 Buffs at halftime). [talk about out of conference scheduling, we lost to #1 Miami 2 weeks before]. I don't recall the entire 2nd half as many of our large group was mostly booted from the game. Did I mention that CU sold beer inside the stadium back then? I digress.
 
I tried telling SEC chumps during its run that college football is cyclical, but they didn't want to hear it. Can they hear me now? I doubt it, I don't go to those msg boards anymore and I doubt they come to this one. At any rate, the worm has turned once again.
 
And a lot of these examples of teams going south or bad is a very good coach usually losing control of the program and the new hire(s) coaches not being very great. Larry Coker at Miami got caught up in the booster payment controversy and Coker then had program problems, Colorado I think had rape and other abuse charges against players and I think their admin has really de-emphasized football, Michigan I still think forced out Carr, Chip Kelly left Oregon ahead of the recruiting service controversy, Tenn maybe shouldnt have fired Fulmer, and Pete Carroll left Dodge, I mean USC, ahead of the NCAA posse and they have gone downhill and not found a coach yet.

I am glad KF has turned it around to this point this year and the next hire will be crucial for you future hawk fans.
 
Colorado, Miami, Washington and some of the others have a few things in common:

--All landed, at some point, on probation (some multiple times)
--All had iconic, or quasi-iconic coaches

This is why I don't really understand all the "The U needs to find the right coach, and they will be back!" stuff I am hearing from the talking heads. They have faced multiple probation stints for recruiting, improper benefits, academic issues and the like. They hired Golden under false pretenses (he was lead to believe the last issues were "non" issues), and dump him mid-season with a 4-3 record. Yes, they were embarrassed by Clemson, but the way former players were tweeting, it's no wonder that place is a cluster-bang. Some of those guys forget their past dominance wasn't exactly earned "the right way".

Frankly, Spurrier and O'Leary quitting mid-season is almost as bad. Good Lord, suck it up for five or six more weeks! Sure, it's embarrassing, but Spurrier was a prime example of throwing into the end zone with 40-point leads. Take the good with the bad and sack up, Visor Boy.

I actually hope Cubit gets the Illinois gig. He seems pretty humble, realistic and player-oriented.
 
hawkeyebob62 said:
Colorado, Miami,

Frankly, Spurrier and O'Leary quitting mid-season is almost as bad. Good Lord, suck it up for five or six more weeks! Sure, it's embarrassing, but Spurrier was a prime example of throwing into the end zone with 40-point leads. Take the good with the bad and sack up, Visor Boy.

I actually hope Cubit gets the Illinois gig. He seems pretty humble, realistic and player-oriented.
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That is pretty funny about Visor Boy, and true.

And the Illini could do a lot worse than Cubit and they have in the recent past. But Cubit could make the Illini tough again.
 
ColoradoHAWKEYE said:
Bill McCartney was a great coach and recruiter. ESPiN has a 30 for 30 coming out on him this fall. I don't think they've had a winning season since they forced Gary Barnett to resign back in 2005 or 06. They were pretty consistent with Barnett and so-so with Neuheisel before him, using a lot of McCartney's recruits. Not sure what their practice facilities are these days, but you would think that recruiting to there would be easy, but they do sit isolated, distance wise, from almost everyone they play. Can't imagine they have an identity (yet alone a rivalry) in the Pac-12 yet either.

One of my all time fondest memories of Hawk games was when Iowa came out to Boulder to play in 1992 (Had to look it up, as it was NOT one of our better years, finishing 5-7, but the Hawks were ahead of the #10 Buffs at halftime). [talk about out of conference scheduling, we lost to #1 Miami 2 weeks before]. I don't recall the entire 2nd half as many of our large group was mostly booted from the game. Did I mention that CU sold beer inside the stadium back then? I digress.
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Was in Boulder a few weeks ago and it looked like they were building a practice facility next to the stadium. CU's campus has to be one of the most beautiful campuses in the country.
 
hawkeyebob62 said:
Colorado, Miami, Washington and some of the others have a few things in common:

--All landed, at some point, on probation (some multiple times)
--All had iconic, or quasi-iconic coaches

This is why I don't really understand all the "The U needs to find the right coach, and they will be back!" stuff I am hearing from the talking heads. They have faced multiple probation stints for recruiting, improper benefits, academic issues and the like. They hired Golden under false pretenses (he was lead to believe the last issues were "non" issues), and dump him mid-season with a 4-3 record. Yes, they were embarrassed by Clemson, but the way former players were tweeting, it's no wonder that place is a cluster-bang. Some of those guys forget their past dominance wasn't exactly earned "the right way".

Frankly, Spurrier and O'Leary quitting mid-season is almost as bad. Good Lord, suck it up for five or six more weeks! Sure, it's embarrassing, but Spurrier was a prime example of throwing into the end zone with 40-point leads. Take the good with the bad and sack up, Visor Boy.

I actually hope Cubit gets the Illinois gig. He seems pretty humble, realistic and player-oriented.
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Totally agree...they have far greater problems at Miami than hiring a "good" coach, and now they just exacerbated them..UCF and even FAU could be better places to "re-build" a football program, especially UCF, (It's only a matter of time before they get included in the further expansion of the P5 conferences)....and I still think something must be up personally with Visor Boy to up and "quit" mid season. He's been around football and athletes for far too long to just quit like that, regardless of the reason he is using publicly.
 
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