The refs will be atrocious tonight!

[BALDIES7980]

Yeah that's my point. Stay away from the offensive player so he can not initiate contact..... Hence get some great shooters and you will start seeing scores like they were in the late 60's/70's... Games a lower scoring due to how much contact is allowed.

I could care less how the game is played, no defense high scoring as hell or mugging defense and low scoring. However the game is called I could care less as long as the game is officiated consistently (ie... foul in first half is called the same in the second half)....

It seems you keep harping on this like you think Iowa got screwed tonight. If I can have one Iowa game where there is not a frigging post game thread about the refs I might die if it doesn't happen... the funny thing about this is it was started scarcastically stating he would save time because some group of people will have to bring up the officiating... The better team won tonight and I don't think the officiating was one sided either way.

Never said a word about being screwed ,you took it that way.
I have had a lifetimes fill of people throwing out the BS excuse that the ref's etc. had no part. And they cannot be blamed. That BS coach speak meaning I don't want to hear excuses and I think you should've played harder.
Key calls are made or not made in every game and we really don't know what the result would be.
You don't have to agree and I respect that but I don't have to agree with you either.And if you don't like the conversation stay ot it then. That parts on you.

 

[BALDIES7980]

if the weather is bad outside people can't attend a home game and would affect home field advantage therefore changing outcome of game if we are starting to bring in all elements

When did weather ref a BB game?

 

[tm3308]

Never said a word about being screwed ,you took it that way.
I have had a lifetimes fill of people throwing out the BS excuse that the ref's etc. had no part. And they cannot be blamed. That BS coach speak meaning I don't want to hear excuses and I think you should've played harder.
Key calls are made or not made in every game and we really don't know what the result would be.
You don't have to agree and I respect that but I don't have to agree with you either.And if you don't like the conversation stay ot it then. That parts on you.

I look at it as I would if I were still playing: you can complain that the refs cost you the game, but only after you've done everything within your control perfectly. If there was no way to perform better, in any way, then you can say the officials are the reason you lost. B*tching about something that's out of your control when there are things within your control that you could have done better is what losers do.

Kind of a glass house or "cast the first stone" scenario.

 

[TrustKF]

Okay, so I've GOT to put it out there...

The actually were pretty damn bad tonight....

 

[Iowatailgate]

How the hell wasn't that travel with about 20 seconds left in the game??

 

[Benddontbreak]

Sullinger gets bailed out more than any player I've seen this year. Just a few of the obvious examples:

1. Draws 2 foul calls on jump balls. One in which McCabe took the ball right out of his hands and the other where Brommer tied him up after getting stiff-armed.
2. Sullinger slides 10 feet on his back with the ball after stealing it (no travel call)

3. Cole and him are barely boxing each other out and Sullinger flings himself onto the court and draws the foul

4. Sullinger gets fouled while falling out of bounds way under the basket yet shoots free throws

 

[knighthawk13]

Brommer needs to learn how to take a charge.....or the refs made really bad calls the last two games. He had one go against him in the Illinois game as well.

 

[DuffMan]

A couple of misnomers here.

1) A defender is not prohibited from making contact from an offensive player, provided that contact not interrupt or interfere with the offensive players speed or rythem. A defender can not ride an offensive player with the ball with either a hand or a forearm.

2) A player going after a lose ball may slide after gaining controll for any lenght. They may also sit up right with it. It is only a travel if that player attempts to stand or rolls over while posessing the ball. In theory a player could dive for a lose ball around mid court, gain posession, and slide on his stomach all the way to the free throw line and it's not a travel.

3) It's very rare that officials determin the winner of the game, and that's not what happened here.

All of that information can be found using a smart phone.

Of course there were questionable calls but give me one game in which there aren't. These guys did a pretty good job of being consistent at both ends of the floor and the game was a very smooth contest.

 

[BALDIES7980]

I look at it as I would if I were still playing: you can complain that the refs cost you the game, but only after you've done everything within your control perfectly. If there was no way to perform better, in any way, then you can say the officials are the reason you lost. B*tching about something that's out of your control when there are things within your control that you could have done better is what losers do.

Kind of a glass house or "cast the first stone" scenario.

Pretty good assesment and on the whole I would certainly agree.
Now if you are willing to take that same expectation and put it to the refs we've got something.
Coached 5 sports and 100's of games and I always talked to my players that even though certain plays were likely bad or wrong there were most times enough opportunities to overcome. BUT it does not excuse the refs from doing a half ***** job.

 

[tm3308]

Pretty good assesment and on the whole I would certainly agree.
Now if you are willing to take that same expectation and put it to the refs we've got something.
Coached 5 sports and 100's of games and I always talked to my players that even though certain plays were likely bad or wrong there were most times enough opportunities to overcome. BUT it does not excuse the refs from doing a half ***** job.

Well, in theory, they adopt the same general mindset that I laid out. If everybody does that, then you have the ideal, as everyone is perfecting what is within their control.

Now obviously, the officials aren't here saying that the players could have made the plays to change the outcome, rather than relying on a particular call to go their way.

Honestly, it's a situation where no one is at fault. Everyone makes mistakes, doesn't make a play, etc. All of those things add up over the course of the game. There's no one person (or group of people) soley responsible for the loss.

The only time I okay with complaining about the officials is if it looks like a pretty obvious fix (see 2006 Outback Bowl). The refs should be held to the same standard logic that I talked about, no doubt. But as an athlete in mind and at heart, I see things from the athlete's side of the fence. I'll b*tch about a call right after it happens (that's a bulls*it call! that's a travel! etc.), but I don't dwell on it later, or try to determine the consequences of said bad calls.