The realities of today's loss

[ThunderHawk]

The thing is, our defense can't get off the field to give our offense a chance to get a rhythm. They don't give up a lot of points because they give them up so slowly. How much better off would we have been if they gave up a one play scoring drive instead of an 8 minute scoring drive? When your the better team, giving up a quick score is the second worst thing you can do. Way behind the worst thing which is giving up a long, drawn out scoring drive. Take some frickin chances and get the defense off the field. One way or the other.

Phil Parker is the reason we were not Big Ten chaps last year. That idiot is a choking machine. I really wish he'd quit.

 

[BigD]

With the athletic director giving Ferentz a ten year extension, people on this board will have plenty of time to bitch about Ferentz coached football. The Ferentz way is to overperform when his contract is being negotiated, and to underperform when it is signed, sealed, and delivered.

^^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^*

 

[NCHawker]

Here's the reality....

The chickens are coming home to roost from our pi$$ poor recruiting classes from 2012-2014.

We start two walkons and a converted QB at OL. A greyshirt is our top wideout. Our starting "rush end" is a slow 6'2" 245 recruiting after-thought. Our starting WLB is a guy who played so bad on one of the more disappointing teams that he lost his job only to resurface this year and our starting FS is a walkon who gets trucked by FCS RBs.

It's gonna be 2 more years before we're good again...

Yes. you speak the truth. No depth.

 

[PCHawk]

Phil Parker is the reason we were not Big Ten chaps last year. That idiot is a choking machine. I really wish he'd quit.

I don't know because he is responsible for the Raider package I would assume, but we never use it. I think that was the piece we were always missing with Norm so it was a great addition. Who's responsible for not using it I wonder?

 

[ArvadaHawk]

I want to believe this is like an ISU loss during an otherwise great year. In those years it seemed the better team didn't win but luck and a fre great plays decide the outcome. Like then one team seemed more interested. Dif is that one team controlled the line. NEWSY was the better Iowa. I think its a lack of tak ent at key positions that can't be hidden from gamer coaches. CJ reminds me of Candy his senior year.

CJ didn't have a good game. But you can't say that a qb that is 15-3 as a starter isn't a the right kid to be playing. The throws he dropped in the bucket against ISU were spectacular. CJ is a NFL caliber qb.

 

[SCHawkeye2]

How damn deflating 3 games into the season.Iowa didn't even get out of preseason without a loss. This is what happens when the coaches coach scared and tight. This shouldn't happen at home let alone against a FCS team. When you recruit against the North Dakota States and Miami of Ohio's of the world, this is what you get. YOu play at that same level.

When you recruit against the North Dakota States and Miami of Ohio's of the world, this is what you get.

That.

 

[deanvogs]

The reality is this isn't even close to KF worse loss. NDSU is a very good team that happens to be an FCS school. Some others we lost to were very, very BAD teams that happen to be FBS:

2014 ISU
2010 Minnesota
2012 C. Michigan, ISU
2007 ISU, W. Michigan

In no way shape or form should we have ever lost to NDSU. If Iowa wants to contend for the B1G West this simply can't happen. Sure we can still win 8 games, but that IS NOT THE GOAL THIS YEAR. Hopefully the coaches realize this and don't continue this year like they did in 2014. All the signs were there that the coaches should have seen for that 2014 team, and they should have made changes DURING that season. We absolutely could have won the B1G West in '14 if changes would have been made, that simply weren't. I can only hope that the coaches see that the NDSU games was a HUGE RED FLAG, and changes/adjustments are made immediately.

 

[Hawkers86]

Phil Parker is the reason we were not Big Ten chaps last year. That idiot is a choking machine. I really wish he'd quit.

Why quit? Its not like KF is going to make a change he has just as much job security as KF and is going to milk it because he knows hes not going to get a gig like that anywhere. I am sick of the settling nature this program has gotten into. We settle for lower star recruits because KF wants to coach players not egos....well a good coach can do both and can tame egos but no Kirk makes all sorts of rules you must follow or face having play time cut and anyone with some big time potential who does come here gets burned out on the overbearing babysitter act. Kirk is not a professional a professional adapts and changes with the times he makes the same excuses he did when we first got here. We have always been a product of mediocrity an Iowa team has never set the tempo or led the way. I just want a coach who hates losing and tries to win nothing more nothing less.

 

[blubberhawk]

Watching the game in Kinnick today the hawks looked sluggish, NDS looked faster and more agressive.

Both NDS lines were getting under the hawk linemen's pads and had more leverage. The hawks need to work on fixing this.

The hawks had enough stumbles, pass drops, bobbles, missed tackles, and missed blocks and missed blitz pickups in one game to make up for every good bounce they had last year.

NDS is a good team but the hawks played poorly. The hawks are not good enough, like in the Rose Bowl, to overcome these kinds of mistakes.

The defense only gave up 16 points and I think the offense needs to really look at their game plan and execution. I am not giving up on the hawks though and I think they can get back to playing better ball.

Any other thoughts will be appreciated.

This was the first weekend I had a chance to watch a lot of football:
Ferentz is the same old Ferentz.
Hawks woefully short of team speed. This is especially
noticeable at the wide out position. Receivers create no space. ISU is really, really, really, bad. (as is the Big 12) Hear that Lazard. 3 weeks into the season and the Big 12 is without a legitimate hope for a playoff team. The positive from this weekend is that EVERY team in the Big 10 WEST is beatable. Not the case in the East. OSU talent level is so far beyond that of Iowa that it is scary. MSU does not have that talent level but is better coached than Iowa.

 

[SteveGarvey1]

The reality is that whenever Iowa has a bad loss we feel the sky is falling but the next day we gain perspective and realize there are more games to play and a chance to change the narrative on Iowa football.

 

[DBAHawkFan]

The reality is that whenever Iowa has a bad loss we feel the sky is falling but the next day we gain perspective and realize there are more games to play and a chance to change the narrative on Iowa football.

Yes, it's one game. We can still have a good season.

But it's the same story nearly every year with Iowa. We drop games we shouldn't, and maybe win a game we shouldn't.

The rest is the same narrative in every game. We look sluggish, games are close, and we bite our nails in the 4th Q that someone, ANYONE can make a play. More often than not, no one does and the clock saves the win, or we lose a heartbreaker.

Barta is an idiot. I would have been fine with a 1-3 year extension, but only for recruiting purposes. Still would want KF to show progress is being made.

We'll see how the season goes to see if we get the same old, or if someone on this staff has the balls to make change

 

[HawkeyeWalker]

The reality is that whenever Iowa has a bad loss we feel the sky is falling but the next day we gain perspective and realize there are more games to play and a chance to change the narrative on Iowa football.

I usually feel that way, but this one feels different. I really hope I am wrong and having a couple Oline out was the difference, but I have my doubts.

That last series of playcalls is baffling. we avg 1.5 yards per carry all game, they stack the box, we run twice. That is not ok.

 

[HawkGold]

Need to quit using my phone.

 

[PCHawk]

The reality is this isn't even close to KF worse loss. NDSU is a very good team that happens to be an FCS school. Some others we lost to were very, very BAD teams that happen to be FBS:

2014 ISU
2010 Minnesota
2012 C. Michigan, ISU
2007 ISU, W. Michigan

In no way shape or form should we have ever lost to NDSU. If Iowa wants to contend for the B1G West this simply can't happen. Sure we can still win 8 games, but that IS NOT THE GOAL THIS YEAR. Hopefully the coaches realize this and don't continue this year like they did in 2014. All the signs were there that the coaches should have seen for that 2014 team, and they should have made changes DURING that season. We absolutely could have won the B1G West in '14 if changes would have been made, that simply weren't. I can only hope that the coaches see that the NDSU games was a HUGE RED FLAG, and changes/adjustments are made immediately.

I think there is a 50/50 chance we lost because of red flags. We were showing how much better we were the whole first half but the score was closer than it should have been because of a few bad plays. The problem is, those few plays made the game too close in the 4th quarter, and regardless of how good the team is, in the 4th quarter we are going to be worn down because of how few chances the defense takes to get off the field.

 

[HawkGold]

I think there is a 50/50 chance we lost because of red flags. We were showing how much better we were the whole first half but the score was closer than it should have been because of a few bad plays. The problem is, those few plays made the game too close in the 4th quarter, and regardless of how good the team is, in the 4th quarter we are going to be worn down because of how few chances the defense takes to get off the field.

It is a very bad loss. That said, after EIU's run under Babers, I heard him say something like, our starters could compete quite well in the Big Ten. At our level we don't have the depth due to lack of scholarships to compete. Of course he had NE's starting QB right now.

 

[Ickehawk]

Not NEAR as much as this year. We had Blythe and Walsh to stabilize the OL...nothing like that now. Fisher was head and shoulders ahead of Bower. Lomax v Snyder isn't even close. Tevaun gave defenses a deep threat to respect. Throw in a great TE in HKC and nothing like that this year. And, well, this is what happens.

Since LeGrand and Render would have been 3rd string at best behind Blythe and Walsh last year, hard to argue that point. Not throwing those 2 under the bus, but we need Daniels and Welsh back. What does the D-line getting dominated have to do with Snyder? We didn't lose this game because anything Snyder did or didn't do. We got destroyed up front and on the edge. Yes, he's inexperienced, but he played a solid game and never got 'burnt' in coverage. Should your free safety be coming up and making all the tackles in the box? Taylor has more 'run support' responsibilities, but like I said after the MoO game, 'where was he'? And lastly, we are going to use the old 'blame Bower' fallback position, lol. Compare his and Fishers 'tape' through the first 3 games. Fisher is NOT way better than Bower...Listen, our D-line got smoked...we were horrible at setting the 'edge' ( you have to know who was 'supposed' to set the edge, before you can 'blame' it on anyone) and that can be spread around to a lot of people. I also didn't like the 'scheme' of having our Mike LB chasing the jet 'read' play. Left the middle really soft for inside runs, especially by the QB... And I always LOVE the ol 'a deep threat to respect', lol. They didn't respect our deep routes? They just let Smith and Vandeberg run freely deep down the field???, lol. Listen, they play VERY agressively with their LB's but pretty much played 2 high or soft cover 3 the whole game, thus keeping everthing in 'front' of them. They dared Iowa to beat them throwing under, under, under. There was plenty of room behind the LB's and in front of the safeties most of the game, and when they thrw there it was mostly open, but they kept trying to throw outs, etc...

 

[HawkGold]

. And I always LOVE the ol 'a deep threat to respect', lol. They didn't respect our deep routes? They just let Smith and Vandeberg run freely deep down the field???, lol. Listen, they play VERY agressively with their LB's but pretty much played 2 high of soft cover 3 the whole game, thus keeping everthing in 'front' of them. They dared Iowa to beat them throwing under, under, under. There was plenty of room behind the LB's and in front of the safeties most of the game, and when they thrw there it was mostly open, but they kept trying to throw outs, etc...

BINGO, we have a winner. Actually nice analysis. I suspect this has a lot to do with CJ's knee and lack of speed at WR. When your knee is bad you throw more upper body and have a tendency to throw long and not accurate into the hands of the deep receivers. This is about a coach (NDSU) who makes adjustments according to what the opponent is giving them. He played Iowa marvelously.

 

[Ickehawk]

I don't know because he is responsible for the Raider package I would assume, but we never use it. I think that was the piece we were always missing with Norm so it was a great addition. Who's responsible for not using it I wonder?

I'm actually going to agree with you on something, PC. The Raider pkg. is probably the best thing PP has done and I was baffled as to why we never used it!!! There where 'numerous' times we should have been in 'Raider', got more pressure or at least have people rushing with enough speed (Mends, etc..) to chase Stick down thus eliminating some of those long 'scampers' he had after breaking the pocket.....

 

[revkev73]

Expectations need to be tempered and lowered...some givens...

Vanilla KF will limit greatness but lessen the chances of being terrible.

Conservative KF will win some games but will keep other games close, too close.

Gaps in recruiting years will exist...because of location, recruiting limitations, lack of effort.

Newly "minted and coined" KF tends to create lack luster future seasons.

Iowa can and will lose games to the likes of NDSU, Iowa State and others.

Iowa will get schooled by the elite teams of college football...often.

Enjoy the ride for what it is...ten more years...

And...be advised...if this season goes south...KF will get even more stubborn and conservative...

 

[hawkdrummer1]

Here's another reality, that might take a little sting out of it. NDSU clearly outplayed Iowa and won the game.

But they still have to go back to Fargo