GodGodGodBathia
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If you can play, you should be able to play. It's probably the most idiotic thing ever to have to go to college before the NBA. You're allowed to have a different opinion, but if you do you're a m-o-r-o-n.
The idea that you have to go to college before playing in the NBA is ridiculous.
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HAWKEYESTATE4ever
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I agree. 1,000,000 percent.
okeefe4prez
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You don't have to go to college, you just have to be at least a year removed from high school. After all the kids who flamed out, the owners made a wise decision to require everyone to get an extra year of experience so the owners didn't have to risk looking like idiots thinking every high schooler is the next LeBron or Kobe and get stuck with a bust.
tm3308
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Not to mention it's killing college basketball. You don't see the "face of the program" type players very often anymore: the Tyler Hansboroughs, the Christian Laettners, the Danny Mannings. Seriously, how many have there been recently? Hansborough, Reddick, Greivas Vasquez, Adam Morrison, Sherron Collins.....then who?
Now, it's the "face of the year" guys: Derrick Rose, Kevin Love, Tyreke Evans, John Wall, Greg Oden, O.J. Mayo, Kevin Durant, the list could go on. It's just "Rent a Championship". I like seeing a guy like Hansborough win a title much more than seeing Wall.
So just let the kids who can play out of high school go to the NBA. The NFL is the only league that should have an age limit, as VERY few 18 year olds can play in the NFL. But the NBA? That list of guys above? They were all ready for the NBA at 18, for the same reason they were all ready at 19. What's the real difference?
tm3308
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But any kid with a brain stem knows that going to college for a year is a better option than going overseas.
We all know why the owners did it. They want to cover their a**. Well here's a better way: do a better job of scouting. Take the John Walls over the Kwame Browns. If NBA scouts can't do a good enough job for high school kids, then don't draft them if you're unsure. Those guys will take a league minimum salary, no need to pay them millions.
okeefe4prez
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The NFL doesn't have an age limit, they have a requirement that you have to be 3 years removed from high school.
GodGodGodBathia
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You're too caught up in technicalities.
Clonehomer
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I still like the baseball rules. You can go pro right out of HS, but if you go to college you have to stay two years.
Either that, or somehow open up the NBADL to allow guys straight out of HS. I don't think the problem is that they can't necessarily handle the game. The flame out rate isn't that much higher than college players. The problem is that you are giving 18 year olds a huge chunk of guaranteed money and they just can't handle it like a professional.
Either that, or somehow open up the NBADL to allow guys straight out of HS. I don't think the problem is that they can't necessarily handle the game. The flame out rate isn't that much higher than college players. The problem is that you are giving 18 year olds a huge chunk of guaranteed money and they just can't handle it like a professional.
HAWKEYESTATE4ever
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I personally think you should be able to go pro in any sport right out of high school, including the NFL. I realize that 18 year olds are physically dominated in the NFL, but who cares. It is on the owners and front office to make the decisions. If they don't want to take that chance, they don't have to.
The whole "go to college for one year" thing is stupid, and is ruining college bball! It makes it more likely that these losers like calipari can just pay players to come play for him for one year. When you are 18 you can do everything in the world except drink and enter the NFL/NBA drafts. I don't get it!
The whole "go to college for one year" thing is stupid, and is ruining college bball! It makes it more likely that these losers like calipari can just pay players to come play for him for one year. When you are 18 you can do everything in the world except drink and enter the NFL/NBA drafts. I don't get it!
LG210
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The rule benefits the NBA for another reason. When a player comes from college and goes to the NBA, that player already has a built-in fan base (fans of his college team) that are likely to be interested in his performance in the NBA. This is likely to result in some of those fans paying attention to his career, possibly by watching NBA games or attending NBA games that they otherwise would not have watched or attended. This benefits the NBA by generating additional interest (and dollars) from people who may not otherwise have any interest in the NBA.
The overall lack of college experience (0, 1, or 2 years vs. 4 or 5 years of yester-year) of NBA players, and the corresponding loss of the built-in fanbase, may account for some of the loss of interest in the NBA of basketball fans who were much more dedicated NBA fans 15-20 years ago. Adding even just one year of college for NBA players may help shore this up. Just a theory.
The overall lack of college experience (0, 1, or 2 years vs. 4 or 5 years of yester-year) of NBA players, and the corresponding loss of the built-in fanbase, may account for some of the loss of interest in the NBA of basketball fans who were much more dedicated NBA fans 15-20 years ago. Adding even just one year of college for NBA players may help shore this up. Just a theory.
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HAWKEYESTATE4ever
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I think you bring up many good points. I just don't like the rule.
LG210
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Yeah--I don't really care either way, but I think it was a move that will benefit the NBA in the short term (less "wasted" money on horrible draft picks, as pointed out by another poster) and in the long term (increased fan base of players).
Mac50702
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I understand what you are saying, but its not an age thing. Take that amobi okoye for example he came in the nfl at age 19. Or someone who really isnt that smart who stayed in high school until 21 still would have to wait the three years for the nfl and one year for the nba.
eyekwah
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Are you sure? This past year Iowa would have barely been able to field a team.
I have a simple idea, raise the minimum entrance requirements for men basketball above the current level, say an ACT score of 22 and be in the top half of your HS graduating class. If you don't meet the minimum you don't play as a freshman.
I think the NBA should let high schoolers apply for the draft, they can then assign draftees that can't make the grade to the D-League.
We're on the same page basically. The NCAA needs to do something drastic to change the current situation. However, if you think if it, the Final Four is dominated by upper-classmen this year. Also, none of the phenom Freshmen lead teams have won a championship - OSU, Texas, Memphis, Kentucky.
Another option could be a minimum age limit based on Alcohol issues. The league could say that because alcohol is often freely distributed, they have to protect themselves against prosecution from distribution to someone under the legal limit laws.
Another option could be a minimum age limit based on Alcohol issues. The league could say that because alcohol is often freely distributed, they have to protect themselves against prosecution from distribution to someone under the legal limit laws.
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GodGod..you're the same person that was 100% certain that Pitt was going to join the Big Ten right? Can you send me that link? I haven't seen it yet.
There were too many high school kids ruining their promising careers by declaring for the NBA and hiring money hungry agents who gave them false hope of being drafted. Many ended up undrafted and basically ruined their careers, or they got drafted and didn't cut it, effectively ending their career and costing NBA teams millions. I think it's a great rule, but I guess that makes me more of a moron than the guy who said Pitt is joining the Big Ten over a month ago...
There were too many high school kids ruining their promising careers by declaring for the NBA and hiring money hungry agents who gave them false hope of being drafted. Many ended up undrafted and basically ruined their careers, or they got drafted and didn't cut it, effectively ending their career and costing NBA teams millions. I think it's a great rule, but I guess that makes me more of a moron than the guy who said Pitt is joining the Big Ten over a month ago...
NewMexHawk
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The NBA does it for a few reasons:
1. Maturity issues--they let college coaches teach the kids to be men a year or two. That way the pro coaches don't have to babysit high school millionaire inner city thugs.
2. They don't have to take chances of drafting busts quite as much.
3. When they draft a kid, the kid has somewhat of a draft following.
4. The college coaches get to teach the kids some additional team skills. Colleges are basically a free 1-year minor league system for the NBA.
Numbers one and two are the two major factors though IMO. Doesn't matter to mel. I haven't watched an NBA game in more than 13 years now and have absolutely no interest in that sport.
1. Maturity issues--they let college coaches teach the kids to be men a year or two. That way the pro coaches don't have to babysit high school millionaire inner city thugs.
2. They don't have to take chances of drafting busts quite as much.
3. When they draft a kid, the kid has somewhat of a draft following.
4. The college coaches get to teach the kids some additional team skills. Colleges are basically a free 1-year minor league system for the NBA.
Numbers one and two are the two major factors though IMO. Doesn't matter to mel. I haven't watched an NBA game in more than 13 years now and have absolutely no interest in that sport.
Not true. Going overseas will allow a player to
1. Earn a pretty good salary while playing solid competition (Leagues are often made up of up and coming European stud basketball players or solid former US college players who couldn't make the NBA)
2. Focus solely on basketball while having unlimited hours to practice with a team (NCAA restricts this - see Michigan in football)
3. Gain experience as a professional basketball player before joining the NBA
The NCAA on the other hand restricts how many hours that you can practice with your team and coaching staff, full-ride scholarship but no income otherwise, competition on some nights can be less than stellar, and you really don't gain much of an idea of what life as an NBA player will be like.
