The Hawkeyes Will be Dogs: Six 2013 point spreads involving Iowa

[JHHawk]

They go 5-7, hes gone.

Total delusion. Do you ever engage in the real world...where Iowa fans actually live?

If Iowa goes 5-7, and fires KF,paying him 18 million, the resulting uproar might cause a shutdown of the entire program.

1. Iowans are way too practical to pay a complete bum 18 million just to go away, let alone one of the more respected guys in the history of the program.

2. Iowa is a very young team,with most of their two deeps as redshirt frosh,and sophs,and redshirt sophmores.....if they go 5-7, the reasonable expectations will be an upward trend with most of the key guys back in 2014. Fire KF and this staff to try to set the program back? Nah.

3. KF is way more respected and appreciated out in the I-Club booster world than message board warriors understand. Donors have way more clout than message board guys.

I would bet you my lifes savings that KF will not be fired if Iowa goes 5-7.

 

[DP5555]

Total delusion. Do you ever engage in the real world...where Iowa fans actually live?

If Iowa goes 5-7, and fires KF,paying him 18 million, the resulting uproar might cause a shutdown of the entire program.

1. Iowans are way too practical to pay a complete bum 18 million just to go away, let alone one of the more respected guys in the history of the program.

2. Iowa is a very young team,with most of their two deeps as redshirt frosh,and sophs,and redshirt sophmores.....if they go 5-7, the reasonable expectations will be an upward trend with most of the key guys back in 2014. Fire KF and this staff to try to set the program back? Nah.

3. KF is way more respected and appreciated out in the I-Club booster world than message board warriors understand. Donors have way more clout than message board guys.

I would bet you my lifes savings that KF will not be fired if Iowa goes 5-7.

Amen. Message board warriors... where everyone has an opinion and they are all right.

As a frequent message board poster I must continually remind myself that the people on these boards represent a very small percentage of the fanbase. Not to mention most of them are highly uninformed, and have zero experience playing football outside of the high school level no matter what they tell you. Why on earth I ever let some negative Nancy's with know-it-all attitudes annoy me is beyond me. In real life they wouldn't say half the things they say on here because they're hiding their identities behind a computer screen.

 

[JHHawk]

The Iowa athletic dept ran a deficit this year for the first time in forever,so they are clearly not flush with excess revenues,despite all the BTN money. Unless a Phil Knight type of donor stepped up and ponied up the kind of cash it would take to drive the Ferentz's out of Iowa City, I just do not see how it could be justified. KF is not Lick,nor SA....fans still like him,personally.

 

[thetrza]

I think we are all overlooking an important X Factor in Sam Richardson's haircut. Its just remarkably better than any of our three quarterback's coifs. This is a big problem for a young team getting tested in a road environment. Its hard to put a number on confidence and swagger when two college teams meet in an intense rivalry game, but Sam Richardson has it and the other don't

 

[BigD]

I mentioned less than five wins is grounds for termination. Having said that I am with the majority on here that think he has this year and next to re-build the program. That's not to say that a disasterou 1-11 or 2-10 wouldn't do him in at the end of this year. I just don't see that happening. I think Kirk will work some of that old magic of the past and pull a rabbit out of his hat. Whatever QB starts has got to be more affective with offense than what we saw last year. Even with a first year QB. Last year was just plain painful to watch. Our offensive line looks to be pretty good this year and we SHOULD have a pretty good backfield to run behind that line. Even I off years our defense has been pretty respectably. So that's why I am cautiously optimistic.

All that said two more seasons of under six wins and I just can't see the powers that be letting Kirk coach in 2015 with two more losing season. It would put Iowa in a spotlight no one wants to be in......... A cyclone spotlight or Cubs spotlight where below .500 winning percentages are considered acceptable. I hoping we don't go down that road. Are we going back to the Pre-Hayden Fry days where the only good things on Saturdays in Kinnick was the beer and the band at halftime? God save the queen!!!!!!!!

 

[MoseSchrute]

Amen. Message board warriors... where everyone has an opinion and they are all right.

As a frequent message board poster I must continually remind myself that the people on these boards represent a very small percentage of the fanbase. Not to mention most of them are highly uninformed, and have zero experience playing football outside of the high school level no matter what they tell you. Why on earth I ever let some negative Nancy's with know-it-all attitudes annoy me is beyond me. In real life they wouldn't say half the things they say on here because they're hiding their identities behind a computer screen.

That may be true to a degree, but the fact they are here makes them more informed than the typical Hawk fan at large.

 

[Eda]

My posts "as of late"? Today is the first I've posted since May 28th and my 3rd post since May 15th. (I've not bothered to join the fray as OoTH, Comanche, HiGL and others have more than covered the valid points.)

The tenor of my post must have tripped the bias of your "critics filter"; ya know, we all sound the same.

I'll let it slide but, for the record, you know there's nothing but high-quality comments, well-reasoned arguments and thought-provoking analysis gushing from this keyboard.

Yes, I grouped you with all of THEM. If that's not your game, then I offer my most sincere of apologies.

As for your post, I think that no other QB got reps was an example the coaches were still trying to win. And to an extent, I agree with their decisions. It wouldn't have been right to "flush" the season in efforts to win next year. It wouldn't have been fair to the seniors (or any other players), the coaches, the fans, or the students. You play to win today.

I agree to a certain extent that CJF was underutilized, until later in the year. But is that possibly a product of the running game being strong in the first part of the year, and not so much later in the year? Furthermore, he did get some passes early in the year (I recall a big pass play vs Minny).

I agree completely with the criticism of the coaches for a lack of a vertical passing game. This team needed it, and the absence of it lead to defenses crowding the line, safeties crashing hard, and a lot of bump coverage.

I look forward to plenty of terrific insight from you in the future.

 

[Eda]

Here it is again. You call him loony toons yet you dont have anything to add of your own. Either make a point or keep off the keyboard. You and others cry about having to wade through others views well your post that make no effort to join in on the convo is a waste of space.


How do you know what the staff was thinking?

Why did they not use CJ more?

Why is this offense that has 5 plays so hard to learn?

Why dont you think a little instead of calling others names that have atleast put a point of view together?

Bet you wish you could respond with a laffy pic? Dont let your Ghost shine through too much though.

 

[cuihawk]

My bad. The Hawks are going to win in the shoe this year. I just have a feeling.

How's that?

Better.

 

[Hawknick]

This will be what CJF will do to the OSU cheaters this year.Zabel calls Marv Cook TD against Ohio State. - YouTube

 

[tubahawk]

As for your post, I think that no other QB got reps was an example the coaches were still trying to win. And to an extent, I agree with their decisions. It wouldn't have been right to "flush" the season in efforts to win next year. It wouldn't have been fair to the seniors (or any other players), the coaches, the fans, or the students. You play to win today.

I'm not sure I agree with this mantra. Regardless, this team isn't (shouldn't) be focused on what was best for the seniors. Last year there were plenty of 2nd half opportunities to give another QB some reps. JVB had been given his chance to "win today", but wasn't able to make it happen.

If anything I think you could argue the opposite about only starting JVB as a signal KF flushed-it. By not playing any other QB we allowed them the ability to red shirt and save them for an additional year. If the goal was to win for today wouldn't you at least try another QB? Not if you were saving their eligibility for when the team was in a better position to win.

 

[HawkinGoferLand]

The Iowa athletic dept ran a deficit this year for the first time in forever,so they are clearly not flush with excess revenues,despite all the BTN money. Unless a Phil Knight type of donor stepped up and ponied up the kind of cash it would take to drive the Ferentz's out of Iowa City, I just do not see how it could be justified. KF is not Lick,nor SA....fans still like him,personally.

it was known ahead of time we'd be in the red due to timing of capital projects going on including improvements to Carver. And it is first time in 6 years we were in the Red, not quite forever .

This is misleading as contributions to pay for said improvements were received in prior years and not shown in the 2012 numbers.

UI Athletics Department finishes in the red for first time in years | Hawk Central

The department spent about $33 million on facilities in FY12, an increase of about $11 million from the previous year. Klatt said that’s because of a $7.6 million payment that the department made on a new football practice facility, $5 million for arena renovations and another $1.5 million to repair a drainage issue and replace turf at Kinnick Stadium.

Associate Athletics Director Rick Klatt said arbitrary budget deadlines can make for misleading numbers. For example, the department received contributions for those construction projects in the past two years that aren’t accounted for in this budget

The department spent about $33 million on facilities in FY12, an increase of about $11 million from the previous year. Klatt said that’s because of a $7.6 million payment that the department made on a new football practice facility, $5 million for arena renovations and another $1.5 million to repair a drainage issue and replace turf at Kinnick Stadium.

Klatt said the department is particularly proud of the more than $10 million it gave back to the university in the form of athletic student aid in FY12.

In his review of the finances of 226 public athletic departments, Brook found that fewer than than 10 percent were profitable once public subsidy was removed. UI was one of 22 schools that were in the black, having generated about $4.7 million in profit last year...

 

[DP5555]

That may be true to a degree, but the fact they are here makes them more informed than the typical Hawk fan at large.

I'm not sure what you're getting at. Being on a message board may make people more informed as far as the current roster, incoming recruits, and up to date news out of the program. However, it certainly doesn't make them more informed in terms of inherent football knowledge, and actual inside information coming out of the program which is very rarely leaked out in Iowa City. People can claim KF will be fired if the Hawks don't have a successful season, but no one really knows that unless they have a pulse on how big time donors and University insiders feel about it. Those type of people do not frequent message boards because they don't have to come here to acquire their information.

My main point being that frequenting a message board doesn't mean you know football. It doesn't mean you have a clue what is going to happen. Even though everyone on here, including myself of course , thinks their opinion is the correct one.

 

[hawkinn3]

I disagree about ISU, I think we beat them straight up. The MSU game will be a close one as well. However, all the other ones I could be talked into just about anything in regards to how badly we will lose. I actually prefer knowing we are done by haltime to me screaming at the tv at the end of the 4th as Ferentz plays it safe and we lose another heart breaker.

Builds character...

 

[Eda]

I'm not sure I agree with this mantra. Regardless, this team isn't (shouldn't) be focused on what was best for the seniors. Last year there were plenty of 2nd half opportunities to give another QB some reps. JVB had been given his chance to "win today", but wasn't able to make it happen.

If anything I think you could argue the opposite about only starting JVB as a signal KF flushed-it. By not playing any other QB we allowed them the ability to red shirt and save them for an additional year. If the goal was to win for today wouldn't you at least try another QB? Not if you were saving their eligibility for when the team was in a better position to win.

I'm not sure how a coach (at any level) could look at a kid who's been working his arse off for 4-5 years, and tell him that instead of giving him 100%, you're gonna try to build for the future. Had we been getting blown out in every game, maybe it'd be tempting to do so; but not with the way the team was losing close games last year.

And let's be honest. JVB wasn't all to blame for the teams failures last year (there's plenty of failures to point at).
Ruddock could've been substituted in, as he used his red shirt the year before. But that beside the point.

We can debate all day whether or not the coaches decided to just "flush" the season; but I think we both know that any D1 coach, regardless of tenure/job stability/contract, would not "flush" a season.

That's the equivalent to saying a coach doesn't want to win, or need to win, or desire to win, or whatever it was (shout out to OoTH!).

 

[tubahawk]

We can debate all day whether or not the coaches decided to just "flush" the season; but I think we both know that any D1 coach, regardless of tenure/job stability/contract, would not "flush" a season.

If making sacrifices for one season meant a greater likelihood of success for the next 2-3 years you better believe a coach would consider it.

I am not saying that's happened last year, just that it isn't unreasonable to think it is possible.

 

[oroko]

Let's say the season ends with another 4-8 record (disregarding how it came about).

I have serious doubts about the "just wait till next year" talk continuing.

 

[FreedComanche]

Let's say the season ends with another 4-8 record (disregarding how it came about).

I have serious doubts about the "just wait till next year" talk continuing.

It's a heck of a lot cheaper to say, "just wait till next year", than to come up with $18 million. The economy is not getting better, no matter what the controlled media is telling you. That means the big donors will not be apt to fork over that big amount to get rid of him. Plus I don't think the majority of Hawkeye Nation will want him gone even if they have a 4-8 record again this year.

FreedComanche

 

[You]

It's a heck of a lot cheaper to say, "just wait till next year", than to come up with $18 million. The economy is not getting better, no matter what the controlled media is telling you. That means the big donors will not be apt to fork over that big amount to get rid of him. Plus I don't think the majority of Hawkeye Nation will want him gone even if they have a 4-8 record again this year.

FreedComanche

Three good points.

 

[tubahawk]

Three good points.

Freed must be coming down with something.