The bottom line

[HawkGold]

I just said it. You are mental man. I don't always blame the players and constantly do that? I feel like it's on both. I don't know why you're putting me on full blast actually. I am fairly even keeled on my criticism. I call it out when it needs to be - defend it when it's blatant crap. We've rushed the ball pretty well the last 2 seasons. Iowa is known as a program that develops good Oline play.

We both see ourselves as even keeled. I don't always criticize KF. We're actually both pretty close to center with one on the other side of the other. Dude, I"m just responding to some of your incorrect criticisms. About the comment about 6-6 once in a while I am in agreement. Where we part is where you are on me about my being unhappy where we are now with the what's wrong with 6-6. I agree, until you go back and look at the record since 2010. What throws the wrench in that is the 12-2 record. Incredible year with an asterisk. Very weak schedule.

I get on you after you come after me. Dean makes the same complaint. What you two have in common is the insulting. You can't find many times where I do that with someone first. Usually the 2nd or 3rd time I don't react either. By the 4th, yes I do and you did that.

People who resort to name calling.... well it's just a weakness.

 

[Fryowa]

No, not really. In Good just won't say it. The blame on players is what gets quite old. Stanley isn't inexperienced anymore. It gets real hard on the eyes putting the blame on the players. Especially guys like Wadley and Stanley who are giving their all. Go back and read his posts and read mine. You need corrected understanding.

At least I back it up with stats. The concept of Iowa historically having outstanding line play isn't exactly true.

One could make a case that it's actually average or below on average. Occasionally pretty darn good. Pretty darn bad at least as oft as pretty darn bad.

Meant to say everyone agrees he's part of the problem.

Still doesn't change the fact that you're preaching obnoxiously to the crowd. We get it already.

 

[Fryowa]

We both see ourselves as even keeled. I don't always criticize KF. We're actually both pretty close to center with one on the other side of the other. Dude, I"m just responding to some of your incorrect criticisms. About the comment about 6-6 once in a while I am in agreement. Where we part is where you are on me about my being unhappy where we are now with the what's wrong with 6-6. I agree, until you go back and look at the record since 2010. What throws the wrench in that is the 12-2 record. Incredible year with an asterisk. Very weak schedule.

I get on you after you come after me. Dean makes the same complaint. What you two have in common is the insulting. You can't find many times where I do that with someone first. Usually the 2nd or 3rd time I don't react either. By the 4th, yes I do and you did that.

People who resort to name calling.... well it's just a weakness.

I'll say it again in case you missed it earlier...

Ferentz is not going anywhere and his kid is going to coach this team long term after him. There is zero you or anyone else here is going to do about it.

Quit your god-awful whining about it already.

 

[InGoodCo]

We both see ourselves as even keeled. I don't always criticize KF. We're actually both pretty close to center with one on the other side of the other. Dude, I"m just responding to some of your incorrect criticisms. About the comment about 6-6 once in a while I am in agreement. Where we part is where you are on me about my being unhappy where we are now with the what's wrong with 6-6. I agree, until you go back and look at the record since 2010. What throws the wrench in that is the 12-2 record. Incredible year with an asterisk. Very weak schedule.

I get on you after you come after me. Dean makes the same complaint. What you two have in common is the insulting. You can't find many times where I do that with someone first. Usually the 2nd or 3rd time I don't react either. By the 4th, yes I do and you did that.

People who resort to name calling.... well it's just a weakness.

I don't have a lot to defend the program right now. I am sorta moving to your side of the camp. Starting to agree with you more in general. Jumping to your side. You're changing my view... and instead of recognizing that you're coming on at me like scorched earth. Not what I expected.

 

[HawkGold]

Meant to say everyone agrees he's part of the problem.

Still doesn't change the fact that you're preaching obnoxiously to the crowd. We get it already.

You don't respond well when someone goads at you. That's all I was doing. He's come at me a number of times. I'm pointing out his bent toward players. He also says he deals in facts. I backed the statement of Outstanding line play with facts. Go back and look. I didn't do much of the pile on stuff after the game. I do take issues with the blame of players or statements that aren't factual. Iowa has had outstanding line play in some years, but not the majority. Most are average with more than enough terrible rushing years.

I've never seen you back away much when challenged. Why try and act line your picture now?

 

[Fryowa]

I don't have a lot to defend the program right now. I am sorta moving to your side of the camp. Starting to agree with you more in general. Jumping to your side. You're changing my view... and instead of recognizing that you're coming on at me like scorched earth. Not what I expected.

It's so much easier to blow leaves and check into it on the radio periodically.

 

[HawkGold]

I'll say it again in case you missed it earlier...

Ferentz is not going anywhere and his kid is going to coach this team long term after him. There is zero you or anyone else here is going to do about it.

Quit your god-awful whining about it already.

Not whining. I think we all get that about KF. So we can read articles posted and sing kum by ya?

 

[HawkGold]

I don't have a lot to defend the program right now. I am sorta moving to your side of the camp. Starting to agree with you more in general. Jumping to your side. You're changing my view... and instead of recognizing that you're coming on at me like scorched earth. Not what I expected.

What you don't get is that I'm not a KF hater. It is what it is.

There are 2 things I get mad about.

Calling out players or players first
Name calling.

You honestly don't remember coming at me first and pretty rigorously? I'll leave scorched earth tactics to Stalin.

 

[Fryowa]

You don't respond well when someone goads at you. That's all I was doing. He's come at me a number of times. I'm pointing out his bent toward players. He also says he deals in facts. I backed the statement of Outstanding line play with facts. Go back and look. I didn't do much of the pile on stuff after the game. I do take issues with the blame of players or statements that aren't factual. Iowa has had outstanding line play in some years, but not the majority. Most are average with more than enough terrible rushing years.

I've never seen you back away much when challenged. Why try and act line your picture now?

You're arguing that Kirk Ferentz sucks and that you don't like him. Try as you might, you can't prove that sort of thing with stats, even though it may be true. It's an abstract opinion and that's what makes listening to you so aggravating. You beat the same dead horse about KF sucking over and over like a little kid who has to tell everyone about his new bike. We get it, and to make things worse you keep it up when most of the f'ing people here agree with you. Jesus.

If I argue a point to exhaustion with someone I do it with numbers and statistics. Ask @InGoodCo and even though he might not agree with me he'll admit that.

You're doing nothing more than standing on a street corner yelling about how you don't like someone. We all heard you and you don't need to prove it.

 

[InGoodCo]

What you don't get is that I'm not a KF hater. It is what it is.

There are 2 things I get mad about.

Calling out players or players first
Name calling.

You honestly don't remember coming at me first and pretty rigorously? I'll leave scorched earth tactics to Stalin.

I guess I don't feel like I've called out the players that much. I one time said some of the Frosh shit the bed when given the opportunity. It was a poor choice of words when all i meant was they squandered their shot. I called you mental ... man, it was meant to be vicious. I am sorry if it was taken that way. I was trying to ask you if you didn't understand that I was agreeing with you more then disagreeing.

 

[Fryowa]

Not whining. I think we all get that about KF. So we can read articles posted and sing kum by ya?

I'd rather not sing Kumbaya but it would be a whole lot less grating than listening to you cry about Kirk Ferentz.

Tell us all over again what's wrong with the staff.

We agree, dumbass.

 

[InGoodCo]

You're arguing that Kirk Ferentz sucks and that you don't like him. Try as you might, you can't prove that sort of thing with stats, even though it may be true. It's an abstract opinion and that's what makes listening to you so aggravating. You beat the same dead horse about KF sucking over and over like a little kid who has to tell everyone about his new bike. We get it, and to make things worse you keep it up when most of the f'ing people here agree with you. Jesus.

If I argue a point to exhaustion with someone I do it with numbers and statistics. Ask @InGoodCo and even though he might not agree with me he'll admit that.

You're doing nothing more than standing on a street corner yelling about how you don't like someone. We all heard you and you don't need to prove it.

Fryiowa and I go at it all the time. We don't agree on much. Sometimes he asks how much I drink, and I ask him if he's passed highschool. We don't get too crazy about it. I respect both of your opinions. If I've over stepped my bounds or offended you guys, I am sorry.

I just want Iowa to win. I am just as frustrated with the way this season is developing as you guys are. I just wasn't going to jump the gun before the games were even played. I wanted to let it play it. It's not playing out great.

 

[Fryowa]

Fryiowa and I go at it all the time. We don't agree on much. Sometimes he asks how much I drink, and I ask him if he's passed highschool. We don't get too crazy about it. I respect both of your opinions. If I've over stepped my bounds or offended you guys, I am sorry.

I just want Iowa to win. I am just as frustrated with the way this season is developing as you guys are. I just wasn't going to jump the gun before the games were even played. I wanted to let it play it. It's not playing out great.

I'm not offended in the least. Arguing is fun, listening to someone whimper is not.

 

[HawkGold]

You're arguing that Kirk Ferentz sucks and that you don't like him. Try as you might, you can't prove that sort of thing with stats, even though it may be true. It's an abstract opinion and that's what makes listening to you so aggravating. You beat the same dead horse about KF sucking over and over like a little kid who has to tell everyone about his new bike. We get it, and to make things worse you keep it up when most of the f'ing people here agree with you. Jesus.

If I argue a point to exhaustion with someone I do it with numbers and statistics. Ask @InGoodCo and even though he might not agree with me he'll admit that.

You're doing nothing more than standing on a street corner yelling about how you don't like someone. We all heard you and you don't need to prove it.

Dude, calm down. Never have used the Sucks word anyway. If you go back and look what you've heard is that KF is conservative and it gets in the way. You've heard me say he plays not to win. You have heard me say that I think at times he's abusive (CJ in Outback, A Rob, and now maybe Wadley) in what he expects them to do. I don't think the Rhabdo thing has been properly vetted and I think the contact extension was ridiculous with maybe something there that doesn't smell right. You heard me not be happy but not terribly so about BF, but I was positive earlier this year and surprised at some of the adjustments.

You have heard me say that when KF'ism works, it's a thing of beauty. It doesn't work very oft and that is oft when he has a QB he didn't really want to play. I don't agree that he is a guru line coach, but finds rough diamonds and does well with them

You have heard me get rigorous when Dean insults. About 1.5 months ago Good Co was mildly criticizing the team and when I supported that he went insulting on me and I push back. He doesn't compare to Dean.

I do get irritated when players are called out. The so called apologists are starting to do that as the season goes backwards.

You've never heard me say KF or Iowa sucks. I've never said I'm done. I've never had a beef with you. What start now. Go back and look. My more active arguments aren't that often. They follow personalized attacks which you are beginning to do. I have seen you do it before, but not so much lately. Rather surprised.

You probably don't like some of my more political positions. I make both sides irritated. I'm a registered Republican who supports kneeling.

 

[HawkGold]

I'm not offended in the least. Arguing is fun, listening to someone whimper is not.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

He's part of the problem. Of course he is. When things are good, he gets the credit, when they are bad, he gets the blame. That's how Head Coaching works. I don't know that I've ever said differently. He's also a big part of the success the program has experienced tho too.

Iowa was still trying to win that ball game in the 4th - CJ threw like 3 INT's right? Also, keeping CJ in (Stanley did get in BTW) I think was more about not wanting to throw your rookie Frosh QB that didn't play all season to a FL defense that had all the mo and was foaming at the mouth. That's my opinion. I don't have a lot issue with how he handled it.

IMO - a 6-6 transition year isn't the end of the world.... especially butted up against a team that's won 20 ball games the last 2 seasons. If it's 6-6 again next year, I am gonna be more vocal about my displeasure in the program, cause I think it's fair to be.

<<When things are good, he gets the credit, when they are bad, he gets the blame>>

Not really. When things are good, the schedule and/or the players get the credit.

 

[InGoodCo]

<<When things are good, he gets the credit, when they are bad, he gets the blame>>

Not really. When things are good, the schedule and/or the players get the credit.

that's true too. Bottom line - I am a big supporter and defender of the players, coaches and program. I hate it when it gets so negative around here, but I have to admit - this season is tough to defend. It is young, the schedule is tough - but still, it's not where any of us want. I was hinging on them winning saturday - it didn't happen, that's hard to spin any other way then disappointing.

 

[SheagleHawk]

<<When things are good, he gets the credit, when they are bad, he gets the blame>>

Not really. When things are good, the schedule and/or the players get the credit.

The problem is KF hasn't done anything worth writing home about in a long time. 2015 was a year we got all the bounces and about an easy schedule as a power 5 team can get.And in true post-2009-10 KF got exposed when we played a decent team. In fact got our doors blown off to the point where we were/are mocked on a national level. Caught an offensively challenged Michigan sleep walking last year. Other than that what has KF done to deserve any credit whatsoever? More losses to inferior programs as double digit favorites? Losses to FCS schools? Nepotism? KF is putting Iowa right back down the shitter he pulled Iowa out of 20 years ago.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

that's true too. Bottom line - I am a big supporter and defender of the players, coaches and program. I hate it when it gets so negative around here, but I have to admit - this season is tough to defend. It is young, the schedule is tough - but still, it's not where any of us want. I was hinging on them winning saturday - it didn't happen, that's hard to spin any other way then disappointing.

There's a fine line to it, as well. I applaud the coaches for keeping ISM in the loop after his fumble in game 1. He showed his toughness and competitiveness the following week.

I also think it a plus that they are working with BOTH punters, as it gives the defense/punt-return team of the opponent an extra "something" to address.

On the flip side,as much as Stanley is the "future" and all that, it would NOT kill anyone, anything, etc., to bring Wiegers in for a series (or two) each half to let Stanley see "the flow" for a bit.

I also have a VERY difficult time believing we couldn't get another successful deep ball completion in the second half. And please don't tell me we don't have a better way of handling punt returns.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

The problem is KF hasn't done anything worth writing home about in a long time. 2015 was a year we got all the bounces and about an easy schedule as a power 5 team can get.And in true post-2009-10 KF got exposed when we played a decent team. In fact got our doors blown off to the point where we were/are mocked on a national level. Caught an offensively challenged Michigan sleep walking last year. Other than that what has KF done to deserve any credit whatsoever? More losses to inferior programs as double digit favorites? Losses to FCS schools? Nepotism? KF is putting Iowa right back down the shitter he pulled Iowa out of 20 years ago.

Thanks for making my point that much more concrete...