DP5555
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Why do I waste my time debating with these guys when you're around? You should post more often my friend. You make much more sense than most of us.
If Sparky was a watchdog he just lost his ability to bark.
The Amazing Consistency of Kirk Ferentz at Iowa
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Why do I waste my time debating with these guys when you're around? You should post more often my friend. You make much more sense than most of us.
If Sparky was a watchdog he just lost his ability to bark.
NCHawker
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That would warrant a new thread with corporate sponsorship. It would take years and cost millions of lives.
HomerChampless
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I guess it comes down to your expectations. Iowa hasn't had any significant injuries this season. The middle linebackers and Dline has played, IMO, over their heads. The Oline and Weisman jelled this season. The QB was an acceptable game manager this season. <P> Even with traditional powers in the B1G being down this year, I think, with Ferentz, the best you can realistically expect Iowa to perform is 4th best in the B1G. <P> What are your expectations? Mine are a lot higher than that.
homes
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No injuries made a big difference this year. But, I have to disagree that the MLBs and DLine played over their heads. Over your head would be a one game anomaly for a player. That doesn't accurately describe the play of the LBs or DLine - they played consistently well all year, i.e., they played to their level. They were simply better players this year than last year, that's all. The fact that they were better this year than last year is a testament to the work they put into it (and the coaching they got).
Ferentz has won BT championships, so it's not unrealistic for him to take a team back to the top - every year, no, but competing for championships every once in a while, yes.
Personally, as a fan, this was a very good year for Iowa football. They were/are playing their best football at the end of the year. And with some more hard work and good fortune, I think next year they can do even better.
hawkeyebob62
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E$ECPN doesn't acknowledge our basketball team except for the B1G/ACC Challenge. No B1Ggie, there.
hawkeyebob62
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<<Mine are a lot higher than that>>
Since Evy, one can point to several successful seasons of "beyond expectations". Nothing more. And post-Evy, there were basically ZERO "good" seasons, absolutely ZERO "great" seasons, until JHF came on the scene.
And Evy, himself, did a number on the program as AD.
Not to mention, 4th-best in the B1G is better now than it was under Evy, and it is DEFINITELY more difficult than it was under Evy. The B1G has added Nebraska and Penn State (in fact MSU only became full-fledged member during Evy tenure), scholarships parity has been added, population has shifted away from the Midwest, etc.
Anyone who sets realistic expectations with "10-2 or better every year" or "Top 2 in B1G on a regular basis" is one of three things:
--Delusional
--High on (a) potent narcotic(s)
--A troll
In your case, I'll let the viewers decide...
This is by far the most intelligent thing you have ever posted. It all comes down to what people have as their own expectations for this team and program.
It doesn't make a person a "hater" or "apologist", although many people cannot let things go as just a different person's opinion so instead they resort to name calling.
No. You are not getting away with that nonsense. You hype your point with an interesting term..."methodology of measurement employed." I am sure you impressed yourself with that phrase. What you do NOT do is define what that term actually refers to when you "average" anything: It simply means that by averaging, you lose some information within the data, regardless of what you are averaging. To eliminate the drawback to averaging, you would simply list the entire records of Iowa football teams over the years referred to. You could add "median" calculation to the "mean" calculation OP uses. The fact is that an average over a significant period of time actually does produce meaningful data. In this case, I would like you to explain what is "lost" when OP presents an average. Your conclusion that his data masks a reality about KF's consistency is pure nonsense.
LG210
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I think I got away with it, Doc. Variance would have been the proper measure, not average.
Also, sweet unnecessary ad hominem--I'm sure you impressed yourself with that.
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LG210
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This is a fair point, but misses the mark a bit, in my opinion, because the data points being compared are incongruent with how people determine consistency in reality.
For example, the following coaching careers would grade out the same in terms of consistency under the methodology employed (if measured over an even number of years, say 6 instead of 5):
Coach A Wins: 7-7-7-7-7-7-7-7-7-7-7-7-7-7
Coach B Wins: 12-2-12-2-12-2-12-2-12-2-12-2-12-2
I don't think most folks would rate the two coaches as equally consistent.
But to your broader point of KF's teams bouncing back after bad seasons, I certainly agree with you. However, you, unfortunately, cannot bounce back without having first fallen. It has definitely seemed to be cyclical with KF, and I think we are back on the upswing, so I am thankful for that.
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Let me try again: If "variance" is the proper measure, post it. Money where mouth is, etc. As to Ad Hominem: Interesting that you would use ad hominem to accuse me of ad hominem. Now were are both impressed! BTW: I would be seriously interested in your argument that the average does not tell the story...no sarcasm here. PM me if you wish. thanks!
LG210
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Wow--really? KF's wins per year are as follows: 1, 3, 7, 11, 10, 10, 7, 6, 6, 9, 11, 8, 7, 4, and 8/9. If you don't see a lack of consistency there, I don't know how to help you. If you don't further see how the rolling-averaging of 5 seasons hides the actually inconsistency in performance, I, again, do not know how to help you. Without assuming an LSU win, I counted an average win total of 7.2/season. Rounding to 7 wins per season, KF has been 2 or more games off from that average in 8 (possibly 9) of his 15 season at Iowa. That is a lot of variability and not much consistency. FYI--KF's variance is 7.89 and his standard deviation is 2.81 as a head coach at Iowa. For comparison, Pat Fitzgerald's variance is 3.61 and his standard deviation is 1.90 while the head coach of NW. Mark Dantonio's variance is 4.86 and his standard deviation is 2.20. Both Fitzgerald and Dantonio have smaller sample sizes (i.e., fewer seasons as head coach at their school) than does KF, which should increase variability. Yet, both are far less variable--and, therefore, far more consistent--than is KF. Bob Stoops, who has the same tenure as KF, has a variance of 2.91 and standard deviation of 1.70--again, far and away more consistent than KF.
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1standgoalat1
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We didn't play the same number of games every year. Sheez
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