Texas + Big Ten is bad?
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DFaceHawkeye
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LHN. Against equal revenue sharing. Culture. Distance.
Academically and Athletically (on the field), they fit like a glove.
I say NO, to bringing in Texas.
Academically and Athletically (on the field), they fit like a glove.
I say NO, to bringing in Texas.
HawkeyeNTexas
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1. Texas does not want to join the Big Ten.
2. The Big 10 does not want Texas
2. The Big 10 does not want Texas
I just don't see the Big 10 ever making concessions for Texas. They are a financially secure and stable conference. No need to take a risk on Texas.
The Big 12 has to get everyone together to sign a long term agreement. Make the cost of leaving so high nobody can afford to leave. If not, this will never end. My question now is, what team would want to join all this drama. My guess would be only non-BCS schools that don't mind being one of Texas's little bi***es.
The Big 12 has to get everyone together to sign a long term agreement. Make the cost of leaving so high nobody can afford to leave. If not, this will never end. My question now is, what team would want to join all this drama. My guess would be only non-BCS schools that don't mind being one of Texas's little bi***es.
I'm sick of the expansion talk .... however, I don't understand why people are so against Texas to the B1G...
The argument of how they ruin conferences is a complete fallacy in this scenario. If Texas were invited to the B1G it would be based on the same conditions as everyone else....PERIOD.
Nothing that makes Texas bad for the B12 would be relevant if they were to join the B1G.
The argument of how they ruin conferences is a complete fallacy in this scenario. If Texas were invited to the B1G it would be based on the same conditions as everyone else....PERIOD.
Nothing that makes Texas bad for the B12 would be relevant if they were to join the B1G.
HawkeyeDenis
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Texas has a history of conference breaking. *southwest conf, B12. They don't like to share.
eyekwah
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Maybe you should ask Arkansas, Nebraska, Colorado, and Texas A&M.
NewMexHawk
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Texas would have to get over itself before they would be allowed to join the conference. As it stands I doubt they are willing to do that. Perhaps they can make it as an independent; the problem is what do they do with the rest of their sports? Join CUSA? That would be a huge downgrade for all the other sports, especially bb, basebal, and their women's bb team.
If Texas were to join any of these three conferences it would be because of money and academics. Which of the three conferences has the highest academics--Big 10 and Pac 12. Which conferences command the most money and would command even more if Texas joined a conference? Which conference has its own very successful tv network? Which conference has the most popular teams in the country and an incredible fanbase? Which conference does ESPN fear the most?
I don't think any conference is going to allow Texas to join on its terms and keep its own network. The other conferences have seen what THAT does to a conference. So does Texas go independent and just disregard all other sports for the sake of their football team and precious tv network? There are only three conferences that are worth Texas' time--the Big 10, SEC, and Pac 12, but to belong they have to become another member.
Eventually, both Texas and Notre Dame are going to join a conference (unless of course the Big 12 stays together). The question is which conference will they join. Hell, Notre Dame is almost a Big 10 member NOW. Do they give up those rivalries to join the ACC? I think not. Unless Notre Dame really starts performing big time again, they are not going to be in a position to tell a tv network what to do; NBC or whoever, will tell Notre Dame what they will do. Right now, NW, Indiana, and Minnesota make more money a year than Notre Dame. Does Notre Dame continue to make less money each year as the lower Big 10 teams continue to make more JUST to stay independent? Or does the money and especially the academics of the Big 10 become too much. Join the Big 10 and their money and academic prestige immediately skyrockets. Join and the major tv networks REALLY want a piece of the Big 10. Negotiating is now controlled by the Big 10. Which tv networks want the Big 10 if Notre Dame and (or) Texas are now members? ALL of them. Iron out any differences and the Big 10, all of its members, Texas and Notre Dame make out like bandits--both schools and the conference know this. Especially the academics side and THAT is what will draw both schools eventually to the Big 10 as equal members. They might eat some pride but the results are much greater than any pride.
The Big 12 is the only conference willing to let Texas rule the conference and other conference teams are willing to be Texas' beetch and do their bidding. The rest of the Big 12 teams except Oklahoma are frightened to death that the conference might break apart so they are willing to give Texas whatever it wants to keep the conference together. Hell, they might even start giving Oklahoma whatever it wants to keep them, and take less money.
The problem is that Oklahoma now is as upset about Texas as Texas A&M was and it won't take much for Oklahoma to pursue other avenues. They are an attractive team for some conference--the SEC perhaps to go with Texas A&M? If Oklahoma leaves the conference, that leaves Texas as the only name team left in the conference. BYU is not going to join the conference if Ok leaves. Thus the Big 12 is unable to attract any decent teams to up its status as a conference. All the conference would be doing is filling holes.
If Texas were to join any of these three conferences it would be because of money and academics. Which of the three conferences has the highest academics--Big 10 and Pac 12. Which conferences command the most money and would command even more if Texas joined a conference? Which conference has its own very successful tv network? Which conference has the most popular teams in the country and an incredible fanbase? Which conference does ESPN fear the most?
I don't think any conference is going to allow Texas to join on its terms and keep its own network. The other conferences have seen what THAT does to a conference. So does Texas go independent and just disregard all other sports for the sake of their football team and precious tv network? There are only three conferences that are worth Texas' time--the Big 10, SEC, and Pac 12, but to belong they have to become another member.
Eventually, both Texas and Notre Dame are going to join a conference (unless of course the Big 12 stays together). The question is which conference will they join. Hell, Notre Dame is almost a Big 10 member NOW. Do they give up those rivalries to join the ACC? I think not. Unless Notre Dame really starts performing big time again, they are not going to be in a position to tell a tv network what to do; NBC or whoever, will tell Notre Dame what they will do. Right now, NW, Indiana, and Minnesota make more money a year than Notre Dame. Does Notre Dame continue to make less money each year as the lower Big 10 teams continue to make more JUST to stay independent? Or does the money and especially the academics of the Big 10 become too much. Join the Big 10 and their money and academic prestige immediately skyrockets. Join and the major tv networks REALLY want a piece of the Big 10. Negotiating is now controlled by the Big 10. Which tv networks want the Big 10 if Notre Dame and (or) Texas are now members? ALL of them. Iron out any differences and the Big 10, all of its members, Texas and Notre Dame make out like bandits--both schools and the conference know this. Especially the academics side and THAT is what will draw both schools eventually to the Big 10 as equal members. They might eat some pride but the results are much greater than any pride.
The Big 12 is the only conference willing to let Texas rule the conference and other conference teams are willing to be Texas' beetch and do their bidding. The rest of the Big 12 teams except Oklahoma are frightened to death that the conference might break apart so they are willing to give Texas whatever it wants to keep the conference together. Hell, they might even start giving Oklahoma whatever it wants to keep them, and take less money.
The problem is that Oklahoma now is as upset about Texas as Texas A&M was and it won't take much for Oklahoma to pursue other avenues. They are an attractive team for some conference--the SEC perhaps to go with Texas A&M? If Oklahoma leaves the conference, that leaves Texas as the only name team left in the conference. BYU is not going to join the conference if Ok leaves. Thus the Big 12 is unable to attract any decent teams to up its status as a conference. All the conference would be doing is filling holes.
trj
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I am going a little Bob Knight here if expansion is inevitable then sit back and enjoy it. Bring on Texas, unlike Oklahoma/Texas A&M......Penn St., Michigan, OSU, ND would be strong enough to keep Texas in line. Delaney and his likely successor(s) would be smart enough not to allow Texas to destroy the conference.
ssckelley
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It amazes me how insecure people here feel about the Big Ten. There is no one school big enough to take down the strongest conference academically & athletically. If Texas wants to join the Big Ten then they do so playing by the Big Ten rules. There is no conference that will allow them to walk in and let them dictate revenue sharing along with LHN.
JonDMiller
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No need to make a deal with the devil here...and they won't
MelroseHawkins
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The thing about Texas is that they are just so vain. They are so vain, that they make decisions not even thinking about the ramifications it has on others/programs. They don't realize it until it is pointed out to them. The world apparently evolves around them in their eyes. The BIG does not need that.
If they were ever invited to join, the BIG would have to make it abundantly clear that "You are not above the conference as a whole in general". If they started to pull the crap like in the 12, then kick their collective azz to the curb.
If they were ever invited to join, the BIG would have to make it abundantly clear that "You are not above the conference as a whole in general". If they started to pull the crap like in the 12, then kick their collective azz to the curb.
MelroseHawkins
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I agree. I don't think they could ever pull that crap in the BIG. They would be shunned. Also, Delaney actually has a spine & is not afraid to say what he feels. Go back to conversations/debates he had with Shapiro (ESPN Exec) when negotiating TV deals. He pretty much told Shapiro "Screw you, we'll just set up our own network then".
Yeah, like when the Big 8 came in to save their hide, they insisted that the new Big 12 was just that - new. Couldn't keep the history or records from the Big 8.
Then little things like moving the corporate offices from Kansas City to Dallas and trying to secure the Big 12 CCG in JerryWorld permanently.
If they joined the B1G they would be constantly trying to shift power their way. They are responsible for the mess that happened with the SWC, and now the Big 12.
Like Jon said - don't make a deal with the devil. It isn't needed.
The problem is that the B1G would have to be constantly on its guard and always fighting off Texas' advances. Delaney won't always be ruling the roost and do you want Texas helping to pick his successor?! B1G is supposed be all about the good of the conference before the good of a single member - Texas doesn't understand that. Better to let them sit in the cesspool they've created, or go off and destroy some other conference.
Billso
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Texas has lost its leverage with the implosion of the Big Twelve. There is now NO conference situation where they won't be forced to revenue-share. Deal with the devil? The Big Ten and its component schools have the financial and brand heft and unity-of-purpose to handle Texas, and make no mistake, the entre into Texas TV and recruiting market would be fantastic for the Big Ten. Not to mention one of the country's great research institutions.
The Big Ten isn't desperate for Texas or anyone else, but don't think for a minute they wouldn't love to have them.
The Big Ten isn't desperate for Texas or anyone else, but don't think for a minute they wouldn't love to have them.
