Team goals

[siestahawk]

Hayden Fry teams used to blow these teams away with scores like 56 - 10 and subs were getting valuable PT in the 2nd half. Back-up QB's were getting valuable game experience as well.

Getting back-ups playing time is a critical issue which could likely slow down the transfers. Hard as it might be to say, I think that KF is more focused on wins than even the fans. By this I mean, how you win or lose appears to be less important to KF than just getting a W. Consequently, we don't have any other measuring stick other than Wins and Losses. I think fans would rather see a team striving to be all it can be every time it plays and let the chips fall where they may with respect to the wins and losses. Staying loyal to a simple game plan and not modifying it in the face of repeated failed results simply doesn't make sense. Playing to optimize was why KF was given the big contract. Not to eke out enough wins to get into a bowl game each year. Seems like this is pretty easy to understand and should be part of what KF professes when he interacts with the public. Here is what he needs to say (all day, every day): "I am paid at a level where I am expected to win championships. Everyone associated with our program should understand that."

 

[Hawkfnntn]

Do you think OSU and Alabama were "Not trying" to get into the playoffs, because they played completely avg. to awful teams in the non con last year?

Navy
Virginia Tech
Kent St.
Cincinnati


West Virginia
FAU
Southern Miss
W. Carolina

You don't have to play premier non conference competition. If you go through your conference and non conference with 1 loss, you will be in the conversation no matter who you played.

I kinda alluded to it with earlier when I mentioned the top teams in the SEC well OSU would fall into that category as well where because of their name they won't have to worry about it. Not nearly as much. See say Iowa or a team similar to them in prestige was in big 12 pac 10 wherever and had 0 losses with a weak schedule like they had last yr and it was down to them or OSU with 1 loss. OSU will get that nod every time. The only way to overcompensate for that would be to have a tougher non conference schedule... Right or wrong when you lose matters too and OSU losing that game early in the year ended up just not mattering for them.

 

[PCHawk]

I kinda alluded to it with earlier when I mentioned the top teams in the SEC well OSU would fall into that category as well where because of their name they won't have to worry about it. Not nearly as much. See say Iowa or a team similar to them in prestige was in big 12 pac 10 wherever and had 0 losses with a weak schedule like they had last yr and it was down to them or OSU with 1 loss. OSU will get that nod every time. The only way to overcompensate for that would be to have a tougher non conference schedule... Right or wrong when you lose matters too and OSU losing that game early in the year ended up just not mattering for them.

OSU's loss didn't matter to them because like you said, they're OSU. An Iowa loss would almost always eliminate them from the playoffs because they're Iowa. The best shot a team with Iowa's prestige has of making the playoffs it to win every game. If they do that, they will almost always get in reguardless of how weak their schedule is.

 

[deanvogs]

OSU's loss didn't matter to them because like you said, they're OSU. An Iowa loss would almost always eliminate them from the playoffs because they're Iowa. The best shot a team with Iowa's prestige has of making the playoffs it to win every game. If they do that, they will almost always get in reguardless of how weak their schedule is.

This is exactly it. Plus no matter what some think, if you beat ISU, plus another Power 5 teams (say a Pitt or Arizona) and win 8 conference games, plus the B1G championship game, you are in no matter what. Most other schools only play 1 other Power 5 team in the non con. and most of the time they are of the West. Virginia, Va Tech caliber (basically Pitt level teams)

 

[PCHawk]

I kinda alluded to it with earlier when I mentioned the top teams in the SEC well OSU would fall into that category as well where because of their name they won't have to worry about it. Not nearly as much. See say Iowa or a team similar to them in prestige was in big 12 pac 10 wherever and had 0 losses with a weak schedule like they had last yr and it was down to them or OSU with 1 loss. OSU will get that nod every time. The only way to overcompensate for that would be to have a tougher non conference schedule... Right or wrong when you lose matters too and OSU losing that game early in the year ended up just not mattering for them.

If Baylor or TCU would have gone undefeated last year, they would have gotten in over the 1 loss OSU.

 

[PCHawk]

This is exactly it. Plus no matter what some think, if you beat ISU, plus another Power 5 teams (say a Pitt or Arizona) and win 8 conference games, plus the B1G championship game, you are in no matter what. Most other schools only play 1 other Power 5 team in the non con. and most of the time they are of the West. Virginia, Va Tech caliber (basically Pitt level teams)

Yep. There is no way they would have taken Baylor or TCU over Iowa if Iowa would have run the table and beat OSU in the B1G Championship.

 

[deanvogs]

Yep. There is no way they would have taken Baylor or TCU over Iowa if Iowa would have run the table and beat OSU in the B1G Championship.

And a 1 loss TCU/Baylor/Iowa will never make it over a 1 loss OSU/USC/Bama/FSU/Florida/Texas (any blue blood). A sad reality, but it is true. Teams will have to be perfect to beat out the blue bloods.

 

[DBAHawkFan]

Getting back-ups playing time is a critical issue which could likely slow down the transfers. Hard as it might be to say, I think that KF is more focused on wins than even the fans. By this I mean, how you win or lose appears to be less important to KF than just getting a W. Consequently, we don't have any other measuring stick other than Wins and Losses. I think fans would rather see a team striving to be all it can be every time it plays and let the chips fall where they may with respect to the wins and losses. Staying loyal to a simple game plan and not modifying it in the face of repeated failed results simply doesn't make sense. Playing to optimize was why KF was given the big contract. Not to eke out enough wins to get into a bowl game each year. Seems like this is pretty easy to understand and should be part of what KF professes when he interacts with the public. Here is what he needs to say (all day, every day): "I am paid at a level where I am expected to win championships. Everyone associated with our program should understand that."

Pretty much this. I think most fans would be better with losing games if Iowa actually played to win them, instead of the current philosophy. I think if we had a more aggressive approach in our schemes, we don't lose to MAC teams as often as we have and do. We don't have a losing record against ISU....and maybe we knock off a few more of the teams that we're equal with (or used to be equal, NE, WI, MSU).

Instead, as you said above, KF is content on playing his schemes, never adapting, and hoping for good bounces and ideas from 16 years ago to get us the win. When we had NFL talent on both sides of the ball (specifically defense), his game of keep away was able to keep us with all teams.

Now that we don't have the same talent, we are getting blown out more than we used to. Maryland was blowing us out until they went into prevent the final four minutes. MN killed us, and then the TN game/embarrassment.

So what we have is a growing number of fans on edge, or done with the program because we know nothing is going to change. We are one play away from losing every game on our schedule this year if CJB gets hurt. Looking at our OL, and CJ's tendency to take off and not slide....it's scary thought.

 

[NCHawker]

[video=youtube;eWcUuDFFqu8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWcUuDFFqu8[/video]

 

[NEIChawk]

NC, of course, I had to take a quick look and I just yawned...., what is it about the yawn?

 

[Hawkfnntn]

Those of you that feel that way about an undefeated Iowa with their weaker schedule getting the nod over a 1 loss OSU may be right. I'd love to think so I just don't see it. Hope to find out someday. Now obviously it's pretty irrelevant since they'd have to go head to head too so if you take out OSU and put in say Oklahoma or a USC (with no sanctions) instead it's a similar comparison. Those are humans that are on that panel and they want the big name schools in cause that means higher tv ratings more money etc...

 

[PCHawk]

Those of you that feel that way about an undefeated Iowa with their weaker schedule getting the nod over a 1 loss OSU may be right. I'd love to think so I just don't see it. Hope to find out someday. Now obviously it's pretty irrelevant since they'd have to go head to head too so if you take out OSU and put in say Oklahoma or a USC (with no sanctions) instead it's a similar comparison. Those are humans that are on that panel and they want the big name schools in cause that means higher tv ratings more money etc...

There is a possibility we would be left out with no loses but that possibility doesn't outweigh how much more unlikely it would be to go undefeated with a really tough schedule. A lot would have to fall into place for an undefeated BIG team to be left out. If we did get left out, at least we would have the joy of winning every game. The odds of ever feeling that joy if we started playing a tougher schedule would jot be good.

 

[smbhawk1]

I disagree. Whatever you do, whether it's academics, sports or anything else you should always try to be the best at it. Unless you push yourself to the fullest you may never achieve your true potential. Championships are important. It's recognition that you achieved what you set out to do.[/QUOTE

I apologize that my sarcasm was lost on you.

 

[uihawk82]

Your goal should be to win every game and as long as you are undefeated your goal should be to win every game. Just win , play the best you can and win. If you lose a game then start another winning streak.

Winning takes care of everything, it takes care of itself. period.

 

[Hawkfnntn]

There is a possibility we would be left out with no loses but that possibility doesn't outweigh how much more unlikely it would be to go undefeated with a really tough schedule. A lot would have to fall into place for an undefeated BIG team to be left out. If we did get left out, at least we would have the joy of winning every game. The odds of ever feeling that joy if we started playing a tougher schedule would jot be good.

I see what your saying and yea the odds go down for sure in that case. It just frustrates me that these last two years we will have probably as weak of a schedule top to bottom you could have drawn up and they won't (sure didn't last yr and we don't think they will this yr) capitalize on it...