Taking advantage of new rules.

[Unknownbadger]

It does happen but seldom. I hate to say it, but Iowa is also a bit down the food chain from Wisconsin now. Teams like Wisky are going to be the ones doing the poaching. Now you have to sort between the holdouts, the indecisive, the one's that fell through the cracks, and poaching guys from the MAC and MVC.

We get poached all the time by those above us (UM, Tosu, PSU, ND). The staff has to fight hard to keep our commitments committed. We almost lost Mertz this year to ND. It almost seems like we do the homework and vetting then the blue bloods sweep in. Because we recruit many of the same kids, I've noticed that Iowa seem to have a similar problem.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

We get poached all the time by those above us (UM, Tosu, PSU, ND). The staff has to fight hard to keep our commitments committed. We almost lost Mertz this year to ND. It almost seems like we do the homework and vetting then the blue bloods sweep in. Because we recruit many of the same kids, I've noticed that Iowa seem to have a similar problem.

Yep, especially when Bielema was at Wiscy.

It went like this: 12:14PM, recruit reports an Iowa offer.

Following day, 12:16PM, recruit receives Wisconsin offer.

Pretty much played out week-by-week every season...

 

[Unknownbadger]

Yep, especially when Bielema was at Wiscy.

It went like this: 12:14PM, recruit reports an Iowa offer.

Following day, 12:16PM, recruit receives Wisconsin offer.

Pretty much played out week-by-week every season...

Definitely with Wisconsin kids. Bielema slow played Wisconsin HS kids hoping to get them as walk-ons if no one offered. When they did, he'd swoop in and offer himself. The strategy worked for the most part, but pissed off a lot of Wisconsin HS coaches.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

Definitely with Wisconsin kids. Bielema slow played Wisconsin HS kids hoping to get them as walk-ons if no one offered. When they did, he'd swoop in and offer himself. The strategy worked for the most part, but pissed off a lot of Wisconsin HS coaches.

I always attributed it to laziness. Your explanation actually makes sense. Some times people wonder why KF/staff appear to "slow play" Iowa kids. In one sense, it doesn't pay to bring attention and hoopla to in-state guys these days.

 

[tksirius]

Damn. Too bad he didn't have eligibility left....

 

[Chickenlounge]

Damn. Too bad he didn't have eligibility left....

 

[AreWeThereYet]

Kirk commented at B1G media day on the new 4 game rule for red shirts. The first thing mentioned was getting playing time in for a new quarterback without burning a redshirt. You can get a little experience for the new quarterbacks without burning a year of eligibility. The second point he brought up was the unpredictability of how promising young players are going to work out once they hit the field. Every year a handful of players get some early exposure. Some of them work out, others don't. The implication being, you could put the redshirt back on a player if things don't pan out. The other possibility is working in players that look like they can contribute later in the season or in the bowl game. That wasn't at all a possibility before. Than he mentioned specialists, such as a particularly good return guy might get a look that he would otherwise be much less likely to get.

 

[Unknownbadger]

The other possibility is working in players that look like they can contribute later in the season or in the bowl game. That wasn't at all a possibility before. Than he mentioned specialists, such as a particularly good return guy might get a look that he would otherwise be much less likely to get.

I suggested this earlier. Wisconsin may have a perfect example for using this new rule this way this season. We've got a little guy who enrolled early this year and was lights out in spring. Just "electric". Problem is he's little AND we're loaded at WR. He may be too good not to play him the whole season OR play him a little in NC games to give him some experience in case injuries pop up or bring him back for the Bowl game.

 

[AreWeThereYet]

I could see the redshirt rule extending the availability of a few quarterbacks. Drew Tate played backup as a true freshman in 2003 and only got mop up duty. Nate Stanley had a similar situation his true freshman year in 2016. It might have made a difference for a couple other quarterbacks as well.

 

[Unknownbadger]

I could see the redshirt rule extending the availability of a few quarterbacks. Drew Tate played backup as a true freshman in 2003 and only got mop up duty. Nate Stanley had a similar situation his true freshman year in 2016. It might have made a difference for a couple other quarterbacks as well.

Wisconsin had the same case last season. Coan was a true frosh who ended up backing up Hornibrook. He could RS this season and still back him up.

 

[Niemo]

Scott Frost also talked about getting a roster of 150 kids as he wanted to many more walk-ons. Back in the 80s Nebraska created their own farm system and found diamonds in the rough with rosters that size.

Does anyone know how many players can have as a walk-on or preferred walk-on? Or is it up to the head coach how many extra practice players he wants to keep.

 

[Unknownbadger]

I thought there was a squad limit of 105 + or -. Maybe Frost wants to start up a intramural team full of walk-ons.

 

[hwk23]

Chip Kelly just said on the radio he’s considering assigning freshman to four games a season, so different freshman play in different games. I’m sure it would be on a case by case basis.

 

[AreWeThereYet]

Some years things get really thin once you get past the starters. This year it looks like most of the #2's are legitimate candidates for playing time. I don't see a lot of guys in the depth chart who's names came up because they made progress in camp but really aren't anywhere near ready for play.

There are a lot of players already looking for playing time, so at least early in the season I don't see a lot of true freshmen getting into positional roles. There will be freshman getting into special teams play. Maybe later in the season some of the better freshmen will get a look.

 

[ModebaSan]

I can see the benefits of getting reps and experience for four games. I would rather they get playing time later in the season once they’ve had time to actually learn the system, had some legit training, and would more than likely help provide depth due to injury. I wouldn’t want to play them too early because you just might need them later. Playing them too early w/o some experience in the system can cost you a game. And what if you play them and they get injured? That alone can slow their future development.

 

[Unknownbadger]

I can see the benefits of getting reps and experience for four games. I would rather they get playing time later in the season once they’ve had time to actually learn the system, had some legit training, and would more than likely help provide depth due to injury. I wouldn’t want to play them too early because you just might need them later. Playing them too early w/o some experience in the system can cost you a game. And what if you play them and they get injured? That alone can slow their future development.

Chryst's comments about how he would take advantage of this rules change the other day made a lot of sense. He said regardless of whether he/team needed them, he wouldn't play them until they were ready to play. That some might be ready out of camp but most would need more time and could be ready later in the season. He said the last thing he'd want to do is put them on the field unprepared.