Taking advantage of new rules.

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What effect will the new rules have and how will teams try to make them work to their advantage.

#1) Addition of a tenth assistant coach.

#2) Early recruit signing period at the end of December.

#3) Players are allowed 4 games before burning red shirt

I'll throw in two other older rules that have been taking an increasing role.

#4) Gray Shirt - Can start school early in the spring semester attending spring camp.

#5) Graduate students can transfer to another D1 college without penalty.
 
#1) Addition of a tenth assistant coach has already allowed Iowa to get a little more aggressive recruiting. It may also allow the team to carry a few more walk-ons without diluting the amount of attention the coaches can give to players. It has always been a challenge to find and develop depth at all positions.
 
#4) Gray shirting to get a player in a semester early seems to have gradually gained in popularity. Students need to have graduated early from high school, and have good grades for this to work out well. Lately it seems like a handful of players have been coming in a semester early each spring. It seems to be the most popular for quarterbacks. These guys also seem to be graduating early and may be eligible to transfer as graduate students. The four game rule for red-shirts may make this even more popular.
 
#3 playing them in some early games or mop up time, but saving that 4th one for later in the year or the bowl, for those who have shown excellent growth in their freshman year.
Basically creating another wall of players who played in 5 bowl games.
 
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4thngoal said:
#3 playing them in some early games or mop up time, but saving that 4th one for later in the year or the bowl, for those who have shown excellent growth in their freshman year.
Basically creating another wall of players who played in 5 bowl games.
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As I understand on the redshirt rules, there are supposed to be "compelling" reasons, i.e., the "4-free-games" thing is misunderstood. Basically, it's saying "any" four games, so a Drew Ott would have had a chance, whereas Jake Christiansen (after getting beat out) would not. It isn't as simple as we may think apparently. Which means, of course, that "certain" schools will be able to take advantage while "regular" folks won't...
 
hawkeyebob62 said:
As I understand on the redshirt rules, there are supposed to be "compelling" reasons, i.e., the "4-free-games" thing is misunderstood. Basically, it's saying "any" four games, so a Drew Ott would have had a chance, whereas Jake Christiansen (after getting beat out) would not. It isn't as simple as we may think apparently. Which means, of course, that "certain" schools will be able to take advantage while "regular" folks won't...
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I actually asked this same question. I can't figure out how to share the ncaa's email back. They said, nope up to 4 games and you can redshirt for any reason. However, if you take the redshirt, you still have the same time to compete.
5 years to compete 4 seasons.
So yeah there are going to be some coaches that maybe don't exactly understand.
You never get anything upfront without paying for it later.
May the 6th year forever be in your favor.
 
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4thngoal said:
I actually asked this same question. I can't figure out how to share the ncaa's email back. They said, nope up to 4 games and you can redshirt for any reason. However, if you take the redshirt, you still have the same time to compete.
5 years to compete 4 seasons.
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A couple guys from different "sources" said they think it will be "re-interpreted, since different schools have interpreted it differently. My guess is it will eventually go the way you are saying, but some "fear" there is some "snag".

Only the NCAA!
 
4thngoal said:
However, when you bring in Freshman and play them, that medical later is still available.
So basically it's for guys you were probably going to rs anyway, but want a peak at what they can do in live action. Then play them or rs them.
Which is why I say it's a great motivation to improve the entire freshman year and play in a bowl game.
In other words, you are close. We are going to rs you, but you got to play, we have tape on you in live action and if you are really good, we have tape on you in big games.
If you are great, save the RS for later.
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Wisconsin's got a guy that the boards are already thinking might use this. The kid is electric with the ball in his hands. He's almost too good to RS but we are deep at WR and some of them can't get on the field for PT. Thought is perhaps to play him a little bit to get his feet wet then work him into the game plan during bowl practice. Of course, that's the boards' thoughts. Not the player or his coaches.

What Chryst brought up was a case where Wisconsin was down to 5 healthy OLinesmen. We had a promising frosh who'd been RS all season. The question was do you burn the RS for one game?

BTW, I'm not sure the guy who talked of grey-shirting is exactly right. Maybe, but I've never heard it used for early entry. Where Wisconsin has used it has been when it's class has been filling up and they have a guy who could benefit from entry a semester late for one reason or another. The recruit's clock starts with the next class. It actually gives the recruit an additional spring of practice.

I've never been sure who can recruit and who can't. I know there are rules about how many can go out at the same time during some periods. But Wisconsin has had grad assistants recruit in the past and I know other teams have had staff people who are not "Assistants" recruiting. Does anybody know what the rules are?
 
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Wisconsin's got a guy that the boards are already thinking might use this. The kid is electric with the ball in his hands. He's almost too good to RS but we are deep at WR and some of them can't get on the field for PT. Thought is perhaps to play him a little bit to get his feet wet then work him into the game plan during bowl practice. Of course, that's the boards' thoughts. Not the player or his coaches.

What Chryst brought up was a case where Wisconsin was down to 5 healthy OLinesmen. We had a promising frosh who'd been RS all season. The question was do you burn the RS for one game?

BTW, I'm not sure the guy who talked of grey-shirting is exactly right. Maybe, but I've never heard it used for early entry. Where Wisconsin has used it has been when it's class has been filling up and they have a guy who could benefit entry a semester late for one reason or another. The recruit's clock starts with the next class. It actually gives the recruit an additional spring of practice.
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I haven't given it a ton of thought yet, but I imagine it is going to have to be a case by case/as necessary type thing. There are so many variables.
What if a freshman comes in and challenges for pt right away? I would say that is an excellent time to see how they do in non cons. Then decide.
What if they are just a tad behind #1 but definitely your #2? That's tougher, but if you have to pull the RS, 4 games in, you do. However say you are in the last two games, (three if you don't have a shot at the conf title game) plus a bowl game. That's only 4.
It's a tough call. But really if it's because a freshman is pushing for the #1 spot, it's a pretty good call to have to make.
 
4thngoal said:
I haven't given it a ton of thought yet, but I imagine it is going to have to be a case by case/as necessary type thing. There are so many variables.
What if a freshman comes in and challenges for pt right away? I would say that is an excellent time to see how they do in non cons. Then decide.
What if they are just a tad behind #1 but definitely your #2? That's tougher, but if you have to pull the RS, 4 games in, you do. However say you are in the last two games, (three if you don't have a shot at the conf title game) plus a bowl game. That's only 4.
It's a tough call. But really if it's because a freshman is pushing for the #1 spot, it's a pretty good call to have to make.
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Another case where the new RS rule would help a team. Wisconsin had a guy who had yet to use his RS year but was injured in camp and out rehabbing most of the year but by the end was rehabbed and able to play. Do you play him and lose that MRS year? The new rule would allow you to.
 
Unknownbadger said:
Another case where the new RS rule would help a team. Wisconsin had a guy who had yet to use his RS year but was injured in camp and out rehabbing most of the year but by the end was rehabbed and able to play. Do you play him and lose that MRS year? The new rule would allow you to.
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That's a huge one. That's probably the biggest benefit. You bring a guy back after injury and has never rs before, he starts the season and by game 4 he knows or you know that he isn't probably going to be 100% all year. They don't need to play injured and with another 9 months of training stand a better shot at playing 100% and possibly making it to the next level.
That's huge. Life changing.
 
I would have to assume, if you burn all four games your freshman year you can't use it to get a medical hardship later on. Or maybe not ????
 
I've heard that they are still trying to tighten up the rules regarding this because coaches/NCAA can see how it can be abused and used for purposes other than what's intended. I can see how a team like Tosu or Alabama that has a bench loaded with talent have two three dozen kids on RS.
 
AreWeThereYet said:
I would have to assume, if you burn all four games your freshman year you can't use it to get a medical hardship later on. Or maybe not ????
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Right, you can't go over 30% of the schedule. So just under 4 games on a 12 game schedule. You also can't compete over half way through the schedule.
But if you played as a freshman and didn't go over your 4 games and got hurt, you could just rs for any reason.
Unknownbadger said:
I've heard that they are still trying to tighten up the rules regarding this because coaches/NCAA can see how it can be abused and used for purposes other than what's intended. I can see how a team like Tosu or Alabama that has a bench loaded with talent have two three dozen kids on RS.
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Which they need to because the first thing everyone said was just that, if you are 2 or 3 deep, you could just play them all and still rs them all.

I think they were trying to simplify, but you will always have cheaters.
Because I don't recall the new rule saying anything about just freshman. So basically someone who had not rs could get hurt as a Jr and as long as they didn't play in more than 4 games at anytime during the season could take that rs.
So yeah they need to work on it a little. I think it was supposed to #1 kind of take the place of all that medical rs crap. #2 allow freshman to be more involved even if they need to rs. They pretty much said those were the reasons for the change. But instantly everyone started going hmmm.
Which really shows their lack of thinking ahead. Make a rule and then have to scramble to fix it?
Basically just say, you have 5 to compete 4, at anytime as long as you did not compete in more than 4 games of your schedule you can one time take a red shirt for any reason.
The only way to get another year is with a medical red shirt is to have a season ending injury within 3 games played in during the first half of the schedule.

Because this is bullshit also
"Barr’s example is instructive. In 2012, he played a full season for Towson. In 2013, he tore a pectoral muscle in the second game. He missed nine of the Tigers’ 11 games that season, then suffered pectoral and ACL tears in the run-ups to the next two seasons. Starr played a total of two games between 2013 and 2015."

Yes it's unfortunate, but it can and is being abused as well.
 
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The four game won’t effect Iowa for playing backups in mop up duty. Iowa only has mop up duty once a decade vs. ISU and once a lifetime vs OSU.
 
Since Iowa is a developmental program then most of the players need a couple years to mature to play. Most 2* and 3* are not ready to hit the field as freshmen anyway so other than special teams. Fine . I guess.

I don’t see this as being an advantage over blue bloods.
 
#2) The early signing period for recruits helps a bit. It helps avoid last minute choices. With the February signing period they would always lose a few recruits in the weeks or days before signing day. With most players signing late in December it allows the team a bit of time to evaluate holdouts and prospective recruits. I can't think of too many guys who where picked at the last minute amounting to much.
 
AreWeThereYet said:
#2) The early signing period for recruits helps a bit. It helps avoid last minute choices. With the February signing period they would always lose a few recruits in the weeks or days before signing day. With most players signing late in December it allows the team a bit of time to evaluate holdouts and prospective recruits. I can't think of too many guys who where picked at the last minute amounting to much.
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It does happen, though. Wisconsin has had some, Tolzien for one, but you have to do your homework, find guys who fit your system, have the desire, and drive to succeed.
 
Unknownbadger said:
It does happen, though. Wisconsin has had some, Tolzien for one, but you have to do your homework, find guys who fit your system, have the desire, and drive to succeed.
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It does happen but seldom. I hate to say it, but Iowa is also a bit down the food chain from Wisconsin now. Teams like Wisky are going to be the ones doing the poaching. Now Iowa has to sort between the holdouts, the indecisive, the one's that fell through the cracks, and poaching guys from the MAC and MVC.
 
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