STORY (w/ video) T.J. Hockenson Still Mulling Over NFL Decision

HawkGold said:
IF....and I mean IF, KF was playing games with him, I can give him a pass. I also would guess that there are black athletes that question KF, right or wrong. Only he and KF really know.

On a bit different note, Iowa has never updated anti-discrimination and harassment in their civil rights code. Police profiling is a real issue in Iowa and the laws make it difficult to do something about it. For most of us we don't really think much about it. It is a topic among minorities. That alone can dampen recruiting.
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That's a reach... A really really really long reach. Kids are worried about where they fit on the depth chart day 1. Maybe on how close to home they are if that matters to them or not. But not that sort of stuff... Do you know of any stories of this even having been brought up as a topic amongst recruits anywhere let alone Iowa? Or are you just assuming/making that up?
Iowa is 87-89% white... Blacks make up 3-4% of total population. It's funny to me how when folks see that when blacks are currently taking up 25% of the prison population (in Iowa) that they think it's a discrimination issue and not a behavioral one amongst those individuals. I'm just really big on individual accountability. I don't care if your rich and white or poor and pick your color if you are committing crimes then you should get what you have coming. The moral equivalent argument is lazy and doesn't help anything. It doesn't work for if your kids are acting up right? So why should it ever?
 
Hawkfnntn said:
That's a reach... A really really really long reach. Kids are worried about where they fit on the depth chart day 1. Maybe on how close to home they are if that matters to them or not. But not that sort of stuff... Do you know of any stories of this even having been brought up as a topic amongst recruits anywhere let alone Iowa? Or are you just assuming/making that up?
Iowa is 87-89% white... Blacks make up 3-4% of total population. It's funny to me how when folks see that when blacks are currently taking up 25% of the prison population (in Iowa) that they think it's a discrimination issue and not a behavioral one amongst those individuals. I'm just really big on individual accountability. I don't care if your rich and white or poor and pick your color if you are committing crimes then you should get what you have coming. The moral equivalent argument is lazy and doesn't help anything. It doesn't work for if your kids are acting up right? So why should it ever?
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No it wasn't a reach snd I can't help you don't get it.
 
HawkGold said:
No it wasn't a reach snd I can't help you don't get it.
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Nice way to dodge answering my simple question... So that means you don't know of any stories of recruits even remotely talking about this anywhere let alone Iowa... Let alone any substantial amount of them.

If you think 17-18 yr old kids are even remotely aware of any state laws on discrimination or civil rights your just reaching... Let alone care about them. They are more worried about getting the next video game or pair of Steph Curry shoes. Your giving the younger generation way more credit then they deserve. Do you think they know what states sales taxes are higher than others when it comes to buying those games & shoes? That pertains to them way more than what your talking about does on a day to day basis and the answer to that is no they don't...
 
Ironically the thing that never gets brought up in the draft discussion is where they would be going as opposed to what round they'd get picked. While getting to the league is their life long dream, they're also competitors and may be more focused on ending up in the right organization as opposed to simply coming off the draft board on the first or second day.
 
Hawkfnntn said:
Nice way to dodge answering my simple question... So that means you don't know of any stories of recruits even remotely talking about this anywhere let alone Iowa... Let alone any substantial amount of them.

If you think 17-18 yr old kids are even remotely aware of any state laws on discrimination or civil rights your just reaching... Let alone care about them. They are more worried about getting the next video game or pair of Steph Curry shoes. Your giving the younger generation way more credit then they deserve. Do you think they know what states sales taxes are higher than others when it comes to buying those games & shoes? That pertains to them way more than what your talking about does on a day to day basis and the answer to that is no they don't...
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Yes I actually do believe it is talked sbout with parents, coaches snd so on. Promise the ACLU snd NAACP knows it.

I didnt dodge anything. I didnt think about that much until I had an issue with a sheriff from Iowa who profiled me based on a disability. It wasn't fun and I fought back legally. He tried to claim the idea that people who fit are percentagely more apt to commit the crimre. The dumbass was just trying to get votes by showing he was doing something. People dont care until it happens to them.

He was being lazy because he was fat. Really fat. Lazy. I can come to that conclusion because a higher percentage of fat people are lazy. You just might be fat because you are too lazy look it up. Hell you are likely dumb too because you are fat and lazy.
Do you get it? Guarentee you Iowa cop profiling because the laws dont really address it is well known by minorities for the same reason you dont go see potential recruits at Simeon HS
 
Please steer this conversation back to Hockenson and football. You guys can finish this discussion through PMs if you want. Not here.
 
cincyhawk said:
It's fairly obvious that that was what was happening though.
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Yeah. I can't really think of another good reason why. Doesn't really matter what I think. It matters what Noah thinks. Noah is the one that decided not to play in the Bowl game. Everyone can read into that what they will.
 
HawkGold said:
People living segregated in the north is much more prevelent than in the south.

The Hawk getting a gun pointed at him a few years ago... not as likely in the south excepting the minority population is much higher. Iowa has quite a few of the highest percentage white populations in the nation.
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Implying that incident was racially motivated is quite a slap in the face of law enforcement. He matched the discription, he was in the proximity of the crime (armed robbery), and yes being black was part of the discription, but not picked randomly by law enforcement. Let's not claim Iowa City is a hotbed of racism. Black athletes play for BYU, Nebraska, Iowa State, not hotbeds of black culture.
 
TJ is better than Kittle was at this stage and Kittle just made the pro bowl.

Not hard to do the math.
 
HawkGold said:
Yes I actually do believe it is talked sbout with parents, coaches snd so on. Promise the ACLU snd NAACP knows it.

I didnt dodge anything. I didnt think about that much until I had an issue with a sheriff from Iowa who profiled me based on a disability. It wasn't fun and I fought back legally. He tried to claim the idea that people who fit are percentagely more apt to commit the crimre. The dumbass was just trying to get votes by showing he was doing something. People dont care until it happens to them.

He was being lazy because he was fat. Really fat. Lazy. I can come to that conclusion because a higher percentage of fat people are lazy. You just might be fat because you are too lazy look it up. Hell you are likely dumb too because you are fat and lazy.
Do you get it? Guarentee you Iowa cop profiling because the laws dont really address it is well known by minorities for the same reason you dont go see potential recruits at Simeon HS
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I believe the conversation goes more like this, "Son statistically going to a school like Iowa is the safest place for you to be instead of here in (Place inner-city name here), we want you to be safe while playing the game you love".
 
dahlhawk said:
Implying that incident was racially motivated is quite a slap in the face of law enforcement. He matched the discription, he was in the proximity of the crime (armed robbery), and yes being black was part of the discription, but not picked randomly by law enforcement. Let's not claim Iowa City is a hotbed of racism. Black athletes play for BYU, Nebraska, Iowa State, not hotbeds of black culture.
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Rob gave us a warning. He did not match the description except for 2 factors. One was male. You guess the other.

I grew up in a law enforcement family. My response to the slap..."So..."
 
It will be interesting to see how the draft plays out.

No way are four quarterbacks going high first round this year. I think a lot of NFL teams are going to be using their first round picks to help bolster their defense.

Watch the first 10-15 picks. I know that it only takes one team to draft a player if they have the specific need for that position but if teams are going defense early that could spell trouble for Fant and Hockansen if he declares.

I wonder if draft evaluators, and more importantly agents, take factors like that into account when they give underclassmen their evaluations.
 
Northside Hawk said:
It will be interesting to see how the draft plays out.

No way are four quarterbacks going high first round this year. I think a lot of NFL teams are going to be using their first round picks to help bolster their defense.

Watch the first 10-15 picks. I know that it only takes one team to draft a player if they have the specific need for that position but if teams are going defense early that could spell trouble for Fant and Hockansen if he declares.

I wonder if draft evaluators, and more importantly agents, take factors like that into account when they give underclassmen their evaluations.
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I have been hearing its a heavy defensive draft this year but then with the rules so heavily slanted toward the offense, it will be a very interesting draft.

Curious for Iowa fans opinions, if you're a GM that needs/wants a TE and both are available, how are you picking?
 
Seth53 said:
TJ is better than Kittle was at this stage and Kittle just made the pro bowl.

Not hard to do the math.
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Kittle is also in a system that uses the TE alot. It could be a lot different if he was on another team. I have stated before in some other threads about this. A lot of NFL success relies on the fit in the system. TJ may be better than Kittle was but if he gets drafted by a team that doesn't utilize him then the stats mean nothing. Sure TJ will get the pay day but it may not always measure out to stats on the field. That is why in my opinion the draft fit is much more important than the order you go
 
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