SpecialKHawk
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Why is it so hard for people to realize that you win with players? It is all about recruiting. When was it a good idea to load a roster full of Iowa born players and expect not to have issues on the court?
Stick a fork in it -- this season's done
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Why is it so hard for people to realize that you win with players? It is all about recruiting. When was it a good idea to load a roster full of Iowa born players and expect not to have issues on the court?
BigD
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I said it before the season even started that we would need to have players step up and also have a go to guy to lead this team and if that happened we could have a good season but if it didn't then it's going to be a long season. That wasn't rocket science, just imagines last years team without Marble's scoring and the
experience Basabe brought to the team.
As far as Fran goes the jury is still out as to whether he can win on the big stage or if he is going to be nothing more than a mid-major coach. Last years collapse was hard to watch. Next year will tell the tale of Fran's tenure as Iowa's basketball coach. I agree that if we are going to stink this year then why not prepare the younger players and get them ready for next season. Now we do need to admit the UNI is a pretty good team that is well coached. I am still hoping someone rises to the top to be a leader on this team.
experience Basabe brought to the team.
As far as Fran goes the jury is still out as to whether he can win on the big stage or if he is going to be nothing more than a mid-major coach. Last years collapse was hard to watch. Next year will tell the tale of Fran's tenure as Iowa's basketball coach. I agree that if we are going to stink this year then why not prepare the younger players and get them ready for next season. Now we do need to admit the UNI is a pretty good team that is well coached. I am still hoping someone rises to the top to be a leader on this team.
tweeterhawk
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It's more than just coaching or in-game management of players, time, strategy, approach. It is becoming painfully obvious Fran can't recruit. The gap in talent between Iowa and Iowa State and even little old UNI is stunning to behold ... and a real indictment of Fran's abilities as a coach. Iowa never, ever played second or third fiddle to the other in-state schools, and right now I'm not sure Iowa has even better players than Drake.
It's not the players. The players were in the top 150 for a reason. It's the absolute lack of development of the players which is the coaches fault. Fran has shown that he cant develop players and he always tries to modify them when its not needed. Ruined Basabes soph year cuz weight. Said he developed mccabe and said he lost weight. No difference. Facked up Oglesby by changing his release and IMO by putting too much weight on him with the weights. I watched that kid live in high school many times and the kid could shoot. Shooters need to stay away from upper body lifts and its shown he got pretty big throughout the shoulders which I think messed some things up. Eric May... Great freshman year... Fran comes... down hill. White had one thing to do this off season... get a outside shot. Still yet to see it. The players are set up to fail from his game coaching to his development.
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smhawk
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Blackngold i didnt say i was happy with the status quo i just was responding to your comment about last place in bigten.
Frans seems to rely heavily on postions 1 thru 3, eventually you think the guards are gonna perform better than these last ten games. With overall bigten being down on the year i think worst case iowa will finish 9th with best 4th.
Still not good. I just want to see if this squad and fran can change around this offense, its painful to watch. I'm frustrated but Im willing to wait and see on next years recruits talent before saying fran should go. Unless there is a perfect candidate for hire, grass isnt always greener.
Frans seems to rely heavily on postions 1 thru 3, eventually you think the guards are gonna perform better than these last ten games. With overall bigten being down on the year i think worst case iowa will finish 9th with best 4th.
Still not good. I just want to see if this squad and fran can change around this offense, its painful to watch. I'm frustrated but Im willing to wait and see on next years recruits talent before saying fran should go. Unless there is a perfect candidate for hire, grass isnt always greener.
SpecialKHawk
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You might be correct on player development but I also see a bunch of guys who are either athletically challenged or have holes in their game that are eventually exposed.
Name a great Iowa team in the past 30-35 years that had this many Iowa born players playing a huge role on the team? We start 4 guys from this state and a couple more are some of the first to come off the bench. The fact is there are not any because we are lucky to produce a bonafide star player at the D-1 level every 4-5 years.
This approach is never going to work. It is a recipe for disaster. Look at ISU who has ZERO guys from Iowa in their top 10 and they would wipe the floor with UNI as they did us.
Talent wins. Go to Chicago, Michigan, East Coast, JUCO, transfers, etc to get most of your talent. Throw in 1 Iowa kid tops and he had better be hands down the best player in Iowa.
QUOTE=SpecialKHawk;1378478]You might be correct on player development but I also see a bunch of guys who are either athletically challenged or have holes in their game that are eventually exposed.
Name a great Iowa team in the past 30-35 years that had this many Iowa born players playing a huge role on the team? We start 4 guys from this state and a couple more are some of the first to come off the bench. The fact is there are not any because we are lucky to produce a bonafide star player at the D-1 level every 4-5 years.
This approach is never going to work. It is a recipe for disaster. Look at ISU who has ZERO guys from Iowa in their top 10 and they would wipe the floor with UNI as they did us.
Talent wins. Go to Chicago, Michigan, East Coast, JUCO, transfers, etc to get most of your talent. Throw in 1 Iowa kid tops and he had better be hands down the best player in Iowa.[/QUOTE]
Uhh Harrison Barnes, McDermott, Paige...
Name a great Iowa team in the past 30-35 years that had this many Iowa born players playing a huge role on the team? We start 4 guys from this state and a couple more are some of the first to come off the bench. The fact is there are not any because we are lucky to produce a bonafide star player at the D-1 level every 4-5 years.
This approach is never going to work. It is a recipe for disaster. Look at ISU who has ZERO guys from Iowa in their top 10 and they would wipe the floor with UNI as they did us.
Talent wins. Go to Chicago, Michigan, East Coast, JUCO, transfers, etc to get most of your talent. Throw in 1 Iowa kid tops and he had better be hands down the best player in Iowa.[/QUOTE]
Uhh Harrison Barnes, McDermott, Paige...
hawkforlife9
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If you actually watched the NC game, you could easily see that even Drake would of kicked NC's #$% that night. Iowa did not beat NC, NC beat NC. I knew it would go to the players heads.
The headline today should of been "Signature Loss!!!"...
The headline today should of been "Signature Loss!!!"...
QuadCityHawkeye
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17 to 18 wins is the top of the mountain this season.
Tiptontiger
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Are these guys all a bunch of head cases? The guards in particular - they have probably played some kind of competitive basketball since the 3rd grade - and they still can't shoot? Larry Bird was not a natural born shooter. He shot 500 free throws a day. He came to Boston Garden long before the other Celtic players to shoot over 300 shots (mostly perimeter) before the game. He did this type of practice shooting from the time he could shoot a basketball, much of it before school started in the morning.
I highly doubt anyone on this team or coaching staff could even begin to comprehend this kind of commitment to improve oneself. There is absolutely NO excuse for this horrendous shooting. None.
I highly doubt anyone on this team or coaching staff could even begin to comprehend this kind of commitment to improve oneself. There is absolutely NO excuse for this horrendous shooting. None.
