ShadasRevenge
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Steve's Comments this AM
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busabus114
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I didnt say all fans - i said all of the fans I KNOW
That is 100% true for the fans i know
FreddyBrown
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It seems to me that anyone who takes the time to regularly read and post on a board like this either has a 48-hour day or is, by definition, not merely a casual fan.
AlwaysbeaHawk
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DuffMan
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Showing backlash on a basketball forum doesn't prove you are a fan or care, all it shows is you have access to the internet and a computer. If you want to show you care about basketball show up at games.
HawkeyeRyno
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Deace brought up an interesting point this morning. He said Lickliter - as well as Mac @ ISU - would have to win at an unprecedented rate the next three years in order to even get the program back to where it was when Lick took over. He doesn't see that happening given his track record the past three years. In Lick's case that would mean he would have to go 31-13 in the Big Ten just to even out his conference record at this point 3 years from now.
A successful football team isn't helping Lick's cause but for me to gain the passion I once had about Iowa basketball that I now share with football, I think if the team can do the following over the next few years then fans will "care" again:
2010-2011: 15+ wins; CBI/NIT tourney
2011-2012: 20+ wins; NCAA tourney
2012-2013: 20+ wins; Big Ten top upper half; NCAA Sweet 16
2013-2014: 25+ wins; Big Ten top 3; NCCA Elite 8
2014-2015: 30+ wins; Big Ten title; NCCA Elite 8 or better
(A think a couple BTT championships thrown in is logical, however, I don't base success on these given what the prior coach did)
Think at this point the program has full support and an instilled passion it once had during Olsen/Davis eras.
How about the rest of you?
A successful football team isn't helping Lick's cause but for me to gain the passion I once had about Iowa basketball that I now share with football, I think if the team can do the following over the next few years then fans will "care" again:
2010-2011: 15+ wins; CBI/NIT tourney
2011-2012: 20+ wins; NCAA tourney
2012-2013: 20+ wins; Big Ten top upper half; NCAA Sweet 16
2013-2014: 25+ wins; Big Ten top 3; NCCA Elite 8
2014-2015: 30+ wins; Big Ten title; NCCA Elite 8 or better
(A think a couple BTT championships thrown in is logical, however, I don't base success on these given what the prior coach did)
Think at this point the program has full support and an instilled passion it once had during Olsen/Davis eras.
How about the rest of you?
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GhostofBTT
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Although you lost me for a second when you uttered some absurd statement about being wrong, you made up for it by asking me to tell you how to think correctly. Learning from one's mistakes is an important step to becoming awesome like myself, and I applaud your initiative.
Why would someone do it? Look at it this way. If someone complains about their boss non-stop, does that mean they care about their boss?
No. People complain when they are ****** off, anf you don't have to care about what you are complaining about to have it **** you off. Anger =/= caring. People are not complaining because they care about the program, they are complaining because they are mad, and they have a forum here to vent their anger.
If they cared about the games, they would be going to the games, not complaining on the internet.
ShadasRevenge
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Which as has been noted on this board many times, is simply not realistic for those of us that live in Des Moines on a weeknight. You're using the same argument Fales used in blaming us (the fans) for reacting the way we did to the Hassel piece.
Not spending money on a bad product doesn't mean that we don't care or aren't ****** about the state of the program. The amount of money I spend on tickets doesn't define my level of fandom.
busabus114
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Agreed
hawkeyescott
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Are you serious with 30+ wins? How many times has that happened in Iowa history? Twice maybe 3 times? Iowa doesn't have to win 25 to 30 games, if they win 20+ a year (21,22,23) people will come back and those numbers will put them in the NCAA tournament. Then make some runs to the sweet 16 and I would be happy.
busabus114
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Especially since the tourney is expanding to 256 teams next year. We just need to be above .500 to get in
If I were Barta, this has to be my major concern. The thing that I would really fear is that with Lick's lack of real chaisma/excitement and the style of play; I think it is going to take a lot more than a middle of the pack B10 performance to get the fan base back. I think we'll have to see a solid chance at a B10 title before the excitement returns- not necessarily win but be in contention.
FreddyBrown
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Poor analogy, Ghost. People have to be employed, and they care about whether they're employed. They complain about their bosses because they have to be there and the boss makes it harder, in their minds. (Or in many cases, they complain about the boss because the job is so mind-numbingly boring that they need something work-related to keep them interested, even if it is negative.)
In contrast, no one has to come to a message board like this. They're here, with the exceptions I cited, because they care about Iowa basketball. It's absurd to suggest that "caring" can only be defined by attending games. Being ****** off is part of "caring." Haven't you ever been in a relationship? ;-)
In contrast, no one has to come to a message board like this. They're here, with the exceptions I cited, because they care about Iowa basketball. It's absurd to suggest that "caring" can only be defined by attending games. Being ****** off is part of "caring." Haven't you ever been in a relationship? ;-)
DuffMan
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Are you telling me if Iowa was ranked #1 in the Nation you wouldn't take you and your family to Iowa City a few times a year? Something tells me you would. The reality is it's not really the distance that prevents you from seeing the team its the product.
Something tells me there are quite a few people in Des Moines who would be willing to leave at 5pm to get to IC around 6:45 to catch a 7pm tip and be home by 11pm if we were a top 10 team.
The empty stands PROVE that not enough people care about Iowa basketball in it's current state, period, end of story. I'm not calling you or anyone else out on this but it is what it is.
Hell I live in North Libety and havent made it to a single game all year, including a game I could have gone to for free. I just didn't care enough to go mess around with parking and winter driving when I could watch it on my 42 inch HD flat screen while drinking a six pack in my living room.
clicheusername3
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Its MUCH easier to lose fans than it is to get them back...I don't see CHA getting much above a 7500 average attendence even if the team is respectable. The damage that has been done this season is not going to be repaired easily...especially if Lick is still the coach...
hawkinaclownhouse
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Let me test your theory ... if the Iowa football team decides to play Northwestern on a Thursday night at home would you make the trip to Iowa City?
I would .... but I won't for basketball. Why quality of the product!
ShadasRevenge
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Yes, that's exactly what I'm telling you. I have a hard enough time getting out to Kinnick once or twice a year, and I can plan ahead and save up for those months in advance. Never mind that in such a scenario that tickets probably wouldn't be available anyway, as the people who live in Corridor now would be buying those tickets. If there is a market that Iowa/Barta needs to be concerned about, it's that one. Not Des Moines.
You're probably right, but I'm not one of those people. My wife only likes going that way to go to Williamsburg or the Coralville mall, and I'm not going to go by myself. Even if I could get my wife to go, I'd have to find a babysitter to watch my 2 year old and 1 old.
I think the empty stands prove that Iowa fans don't want to watch a losing product, not that they don't care. People care, and that's evident by reading this and other Iowa message boards, reading the paper, listening to talk radio, etc. That they won't spend their disposable income on what is currently a bad product doesn't mean they don't care.
ShadasRevenge
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No, I would not. See above. Doesn't mean I wouldn't want to.
Besides, Thursday night games are for the Big East, MAC, and Iowa State.
Deace was dead on.
Can't speak for others, but I really don't care as much as before, (as Hoffa points out) winning would solve that. I'll catch a few minutes of some games but that's the extent. Compare that to the 80's -90's where Iowa b-ball was a planned around event.
Can't speak for others, but I really don't care as much as before, (as Hoffa points out) winning would solve that. I'll catch a few minutes of some games but that's the extent. Compare that to the 80's -90's where Iowa b-ball was a planned around event.
DuffMan
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If you say you wouldn't go then I'll take you at your word, but something tells me several hundred (if not thousand) would be willing to make that trip at least a few times a year.
Regards to everything else I think we are arguing semantics. The bottom line is this, people can do a variety of things to show they care, but nothing shows you are more than your *** in a seat. The attendance (or lack there of) is the only indicator one needs to look at when trying to determin HOW MUCH the fan base cares. If they cared MORE there would be MORE people in the stands.
