Stat comparison btw 86-87 team and this team VERY similar

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86-87 13-14
PPG 87.3 86.4
PPGA 74.4 66.2
RGP 43.1 44.8
RPGA 31.5 35.0
APG 16.6 17.4
SPG 6.5 7.2
FG% 52.0% 47.5%
3FG% 38.5% 37.7%
3FGM 4.2 5.9
FTA 26.5 30.3
FTM 17.9 21.9
FT% 67.6% 72.4%
10+min 10 11
10+ppg 5 3


It'll be interesting to view these stats once the entire B1G season is done, but thru 17 games, this year's Hawks have all the statistical makeup of the 86-87 team. This year's team isn't quite as good offensively, but they are a better defensive team. A lot of the defensive numbers are due to Iowa's press in 86-87 giving A LOT of open layups if the team got past the first level of the press. It's interesting looking at the stats because I would have said that that 86-87 team killed this team in rebounding and assists, but it's not that way at all. Hopefully, we can keep the momentum gained at OSU and have the same level of success in the B1G regular season and NCAA's as the 86-87 team did.
 
ssckelley said:
I gotta disagree just a little bit on this one, Alford had a few good teams. The teams were good but the coaching was horrible.
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His tenure was during one of the worst periods of basketball in the B1G in the last 100 years and his teams could barely finish above .500 in the league. He may have had a few good players that we remember fondly (Horner, Haluska, Brunner, etc), but he never had enough horses to really do any damage throughout the course of a season because they were always transferring out.

Contrast that with Fran and Mr. Davis who coached during times when the B1G was THE top conference or close to it. What Fran is doing this year with this team, assuming we keep the momentum going, has a GREAT chance of supplanting the 86-87 team.
 
We have to do some things still to be the best team since 86-87, the potential is there to do something special but college basketball is a strange game and the tournament at the end of the year is still one and done.

Also, don't sell the 05-06 team short just because of the upset in the first round. That was a good team (I think this year's team is better but that remains to be seen)
 
bcl20 said:
We have to do some things still to be the best team since 86-87, the potential is there to do something special but college basketball is a strange game and the tournament at the end of the year is still one and done.

Also, don't sell the 05-06 team short just because of the upset in the first round. That was a good team (I think this year's team is better but that remains to be seen)
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting at all that this year's team is better than the 86-87 team. Heck, I think the top 10 on that team was on an NBA roster at one time or another. In fact, if memory serves me right, Bobby Knight said that team was the most talented team he had ever seen in all his years of coaching. High praise for sure.

But I think it's still interesting to compare and contrast the statistics of those two teams and to be amazed that we are only 4 years removed from spending nearly a decade in basketball purgatory with no hope in sight and all of a sudden we are playing extremely similar to the team that, for most of us, is the bell cow for Hawkeye basketball.

Sort of off topic, but I found myself thinking after the OSU win about what we lose for next year and how well we will compete, yada, yada, yada....and I had to force myself to stop right there and just enjoy the win for what it was and to revel as much as possible in the successes this year because sometimes those moments and those years can be few and far between. I know back in 1987, when I was 14, I thought that sort of success would last forever. Now that I'm 27 years older and wiser, I've learned to bask in the "moments" a little more than I did in my youth. Now hopefully, this team can bring this season to the homestretch and get the kind of success they deserve for all the hard work they've invested to get Hawkeye basketball back to this point.
 
bcl20 said:
Also, don't sell the 05-06 team short just because of the upset in the first round. That was a good team (I think this year's team is better but that remains to be seen)
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Without a doubt this years team is better. The starting lineups might be close to even but this years bench would absolutely stomp the bench in 2005-2006.

Oglesby, Uthoff, McCabe, Clemmons and Gabe are much better than Doug Thomas, Alex Thompson, Tony Freeman, Seth Gorney and Carlton Reed.

Here is how I would assess the 2 teams starters:

Gesell vs Hendersen- PUSH
Marble vs Horner- PUSH, maybe a slight edge to Marble
White vs Haluska- PUSH
Basabe vs Brunner- Brunner
Woody vs Hansen- Hansen
 
hard to compare.... I think if the 86-87 team as more of a small team - where i think of this year's team as a big physical one.
 
jacknicholson said:
This is the best team we have had since 86/87 and there are definite similarities in stats and play.....

:rolleyes:
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I think the 87/88 team would compare favorably to this year's team--and that is compared to the higher-quality of college basketball in that time.

A couple of teams in the mid '90s would, as well.
 
HawkIPA said:
Without a doubt this years team is better. The starting lineups might be close to even but this years bench would absolutely stomp the bench in 2005-2006.

Oglesby, Uthoff, McCabe, Clemmons and Gabe are much better than Doug Thomas, Alex Thompson, Tony Freeman, Seth Gorney and Carlton Reed.

Here is how I would assess the 2 teams starters:

Gesell vs Hendersen- PUSH
Marble vs Horner- PUSH, maybe a slight edge to Marble
White vs Haluska- PUSH
Basabe vs Brunner- Brunner
Woody vs Hansen- Hansen
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I have to disagree with the Marble vs Horner and White vs Haluska PUSH's

Marble might be the best player in the B1G this season in which there are a lot of good players. Horner, while a very good player, was not on the same level in the B1G in one of its worst seasons ever. Marble has the edge here IMO.

And if where talking Haluska SR year, than I would agree because of his scoring but Haluska JR year was a role player at that point. Haluska could run the floor well and jump but White JR year is a much better all around offensive player and also runs the floor well and can play above the rim. Haluska did some good things that year but night in and out White produces and is a matchup nightmare for teams playing Iowa. White has the edge here IMO
 
Xerxes said:
I have to disagree with the Marble vs Horner and White vs Haluska PUSH's

Marble might be the best player in the B1G this season in which there are a lot of good players. Horner, while a very good player, was not on the same level in the B1G in one of its worst seasons ever. Marble has the edge here IMO.

And if where talking Haluska SR year, than I would agree because of his scoring but Haluska JR year was a role player at that point. Haluska could run the floor well and jump but White JR year is a much better all around offensive player and also runs the floor well and can play above the rim. Haluska did some good things that year but night in and out White produces and is a matchup nightmare for teams playing Iowa. White has the edge here IMO
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Fair enough. I had a tough time matching the 2 lineups together since Iowa is so long this year.

Maybe I should have went Gesell/Horner and Hendersen/Marble.

And Haluska was the 2nd leading scorer on the '05-'06 team at 13.9 PPG, hardly what I would call a role player.
 
bcl20 said:
We have to do some things still to be the best team since 86-87, the potential is there to do something special but college basketball is a strange game and the tournament at the end of the year is still one and done.

Also, don't sell the 05-06 team short just because of the upset in the first round. That was a good team (I think this year's team is better but that remains to be seen)
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The 2005/06 team was really good for sure. If I had one knock on that team, it was that they didn't seem to have a lot of quality depth. Doug Thomas was a factor as a 6th man due to sheer athleticism, but I don't recall much else coming off the bench after Thomas.

Iowa had an awfully good team in 1992-93, too. Those guys were hanging around the Top 10 before losing Street.. And beat the Fab 5 even without him. I feel that team could've been a 2 seed, if only.. They ended up a 4.
 
bcl20 said:
We have to do some things still to be the best team since 86-87, the potential is there to do something special but college basketball is a strange game and the tournament at the end of the year is still one and done.

Also, don't sell the 05-06 team short just because of the upset in the first round. That was a good team (I think this year's team is better but that remains to be seen)
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05-06 had three very nice pieces, and they were quite good. But all you need to know about that team was that it started Doug Thomas and Erik Hansen. Very little depth and not in the same league as this year's club. That team was a sixth seed which played out of it's mind for a weekend and earned a #3.
 
HawkIPA said:
Fair enough. I had a tough time matching the 2 lineups together since Iowa is so long this year.

Maybe I should have went Gesell/Horner and Hendersen/Marble.

And Haluska was the 2nd leading scorer on the '05-'06 team at 13.9 PPG, hardly what I would call a role player.
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Gesell/Henderson is also not a push. GImme Mikey G every time.
 
wundergrape said:
05-06 had three very nice pieces, and they were quite good. But all you need to know about that team was that it started Doug Thomas and Erik Hansen. Very little depth and not in the same league as this year's club. That team was a sixth seed which played out of it's mind for a weekend and earned a #3.
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The 05-06 was number one in the country in defensive efficiency but 151st on the offensive side. This year we are much more balanced at 4th in offense and 24th in defense.
 
wundergrape said:
05-06 had three very nice pieces, and they were quite good. But all you need to know about that team was that it started Doug Thomas and Erik Hansen. Very little depth and not in the same league as this year's club. That team was a sixth seed which played out of it's mind for a weekend and earned a #3.
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Doug Thomas didnt start for that team.

And that team beat MSU and OSU in the regular season before beating them both in the B1G tourney. They hardly played out of their minds for one weekend.

If that team had Pierce they would have won the B1G and been a #1 seed in the tourney.
 
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