jacknicholson
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Stormin Really knows his basketball.......
Although he appears to favor the Hawkeyes......
Although he appears to favor the Hawkeyes......
Sonnen vs. Olaseni (Stormin' vs. Herby)
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In gram was not needed because Gesell was having a very good game, and I'm mad because of people like stormin acting like he knows everything about BB, and everybody else are morons.
especially saying Sonnen a guard who was his teams 5TH LEADING scorer. led to the reason Iowa went on a run
Tmoney12
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How does this effect Ingram being a player?
This thread was so worth it just to read how p*ssed herby got.
Herby please understand when the hook is out there. Sonnen is obviously more important to uni than olaseni is to iowa. I am not downgrading olaseni I am just realistic as to his role. He is at best the #3 center on the team. He got time because of woody being in foul trouble but really mccabe was the guy that fran leaned on without woody.
Gabe is not a double double guy.
White is not a 3.
Ingram hasn't been needed all yr and won't be. He is the 11th guy and gabe is the 10th but we will play 8 or 9 regularly...not 10 or 11.
And 40 times, stars and any other measureables don't mean crap compared to on field performance. So why do we even care what those are. I don't I use the eye test to see what they can do.
Herby please understand when the hook is out there. Sonnen is obviously more important to uni than olaseni is to iowa. I am not downgrading olaseni I am just realistic as to his role. He is at best the #3 center on the team. He got time because of woody being in foul trouble but really mccabe was the guy that fran leaned on without woody.
Gabe is not a double double guy.
White is not a 3.
Ingram hasn't been needed all yr and won't be. He is the 11th guy and gabe is the 10th but we will play 8 or 9 regularly...not 10 or 11.
And 40 times, stars and any other measureables don't mean crap compared to on field performance. So why do we even care what those are. I don't I use the eye test to see what they can do.
each player has a role to play
Ingram is a defensive specialist, with limited outside scoring ability, which will improve as his career goes forward
Gesell started out as the PG and now is the SG who will play the point
Clemmon is a pure PG who has taken over as the starter
Oglesby is a SG/WG who's role is to shoot 3's
Marble is a player who can play the PG/SG or WG, when or if he plays professionnally his future is a SG
May is a defensive and Team leader for this team
White is a SF/PF who is dangerous inside and out and presents major mismatches.
McCabe can play the SF/PF who can play both inside and out, he is to slow for the SF position but can still create mismatches.
Basabe is a PF that is learning how to be a role player
Olaseni is a PF/C with range to 15' who is still learning after just 5 years of playing BB
Woodbury is a Center who is getting better with each game
the 3 that will join the team next fall will have their roles as well
Jok is able to play the PG/SG/WG and PF spot, but will concentrate on the SG/WG position, depending upon where you look he is listed anywhere from 6'5 to 6'7
Uthoff can play the SF/PF position but will probasbly be used as as SF
Meyer can play the SF/PF/Center position
again each player will have a role to play, BUT can play multiple positions
this is something neither Lick or Alfolrd had at their disposal, and will make this team more dangerous, Fouls will not hurt this team nor will a player or 2 having a bad game,
in the UNI gasme Woodbury, Clemmons and White all struggled, but according bto someone if the great Sonnen had not gone out with foul trouble he would have single handily whipped the Hawks
Ingram is a defensive specialist, with limited outside scoring ability, which will improve as his career goes forward
Gesell started out as the PG and now is the SG who will play the point
Clemmon is a pure PG who has taken over as the starter
Oglesby is a SG/WG who's role is to shoot 3's
Marble is a player who can play the PG/SG or WG, when or if he plays professionnally his future is a SG
May is a defensive and Team leader for this team
White is a SF/PF who is dangerous inside and out and presents major mismatches.
McCabe can play the SF/PF who can play both inside and out, he is to slow for the SF position but can still create mismatches.
Basabe is a PF that is learning how to be a role player
Olaseni is a PF/C with range to 15' who is still learning after just 5 years of playing BB
Woodbury is a Center who is getting better with each game
the 3 that will join the team next fall will have their roles as well
Jok is able to play the PG/SG/WG and PF spot, but will concentrate on the SG/WG position, depending upon where you look he is listed anywhere from 6'5 to 6'7
Uthoff can play the SF/PF position but will probasbly be used as as SF
Meyer can play the SF/PF/Center position
again each player will have a role to play, BUT can play multiple positions
this is something neither Lick or Alfolrd had at their disposal, and will make this team more dangerous, Fouls will not hurt this team nor will a player or 2 having a bad game,
in the UNI gasme Woodbury, Clemmons and White all struggled, but according bto someone if the great Sonnen had not gone out with foul trouble he would have single handily whipped the Hawks
I am still trying to figure out who said sonnen would single handedly win the game. I have seen people say that his foul trouble played a larger part in uni falling behind than olaseni playing well.
The biggest factor on the game was marble's play by any means. He was dominant on the offensive end and his defense was was very solid.
The biggest factor on the game was marble's play by any means. He was dominant on the offensive end and his defense was was very solid.
stormin implied that Sonnen was the biggest factor in Iowa going from a 2 point lead to a tem point lead when he went out with foul trouble. that's complete BS
Gabe came in and Iowa pushed the lead up to 10.
Sonnen is not this great player that would have led UNI to a victory, not saying Olaseni would have either but Gabe plays a bigger role than people care to admit and Gabe is 2nd on the team in Blocked shots at 1.2 bpg behind Basabe at 1.5 bpg
and with his production in the last 3 games he has played in. he has played 38 minutes for a 12.6 mpg
18 points for 6 ppg , 14 rebounds 4.66 rpg 7 blocks for a 2.33 bpg and 0 TO'S in the last 3 games
this is not garbage minutes nor garbage stats, UNI simply went with a shorter lineup and Fran just matched them up in the 2nd half
Gabe came in and Iowa pushed the lead up to 10.
Sonnen is not this great player that would have led UNI to a victory, not saying Olaseni would have either but Gabe plays a bigger role than people care to admit and Gabe is 2nd on the team in Blocked shots at 1.2 bpg behind Basabe at 1.5 bpg
and with his production in the last 3 games he has played in. he has played 38 minutes for a 12.6 mpg
18 points for 6 ppg , 14 rebounds 4.66 rpg 7 blocks for a 2.33 bpg and 0 TO'S in the last 3 games
this is not garbage minutes nor garbage stats, UNI simply went with a shorter lineup and Fran just matched them up in the 2nd half
woodyk1
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In UNI's previous game at George Mason, Sonnen was 7-10 from 3 point range to lead UNI in scoring with 21 points. He is a large part of UNI's success. While Gabe contributed to this victory, I feel Sonnen's absence from the lineup was a larger factor.
RocknRollface
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Its been a while but this has all the makings of a classic Herby stand.
Stats, circular reasoning, insults, Gabe Olaseni, more stats, irrelevant points, anger and my personal favorite, mocking exaggerated descriptions of the opposing viewpoint.
Stats, circular reasoning, insults, Gabe Olaseni, more stats, irrelevant points, anger and my personal favorite, mocking exaggerated descriptions of the opposing viewpoint.
This is exactly what is the point.
Herby you make it seem like the biggest contributing factor to the lead was gabe coming in. It wasn't. Stormin didn't say that sonnen was the biggest factor he just said that sonnen was a bigger factor than gabe. Everyone seems to agree that gabe was playing ok and was a factor in the game. But you make it seem like if some one disagrees with you they are attacking. No one did that...originally.
If someone other than gabe comes in the game and sonnen goes out because of fouls I think the lead still increases. If gabe comes in and sonnen doesn't get into foul trouble I don't think the lead increases as much because he stretches the floor better than the rest of their players as he is deadly from the 3 pt line. This is an opinion...right or wrong it differs from you...deal instead of being all pissy about it.
busabus114
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This thread is terrible, awesome and amazing all at the same time
Hawkeye11en1
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So in your saying that Sonnen couldn't have done it because he is the 5th leading scorer - you forget that you are telling us that Iowas 10th leading scorer was the one who did. You sir are amazing.
tm3308
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First off, I don't know where you're coming from re: Stormin. I've never seen him talk down to people on here, and I've been here for over three years.
Secondly, you're underestimating Sonnen's impact. He's the team's best 3-point shooter and was coming off a 7-trey game last weekend. He was commanding attention on the perimeter. But he's also, as Jacobson said in the postgame, UNI's best defender. I'd look at it like this: UNI loses their best defender, and Iowa goes on a run. Sonnen's offensive impact contributed some, too. But his absence was felt more on defense.
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GhostofBTT
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But how does Sonnen look in practice?
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ssckelley
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ohhhhhh just you wait until the 31st, Olaseni is going to shutdown Zeller like he does Woodbury in practice!
Section136
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The rotation will be 9 deep more times than not for the rest of the season.
Clemmons
Gesell
Marble
White
Woodbury
Basabe
McCabe
May
Oglesby
ssckelley
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I gotta disagree with you on this one. I think Olaseni will see some action, especially against teams like Indiana with 7 foot Zeller. We may see him more than we want if Woodbury keeps getting into foul trouble.
