DwayneTwill
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He was a Fran recruit, so I think that counts even more than any leftover player who transferred out before playing for McCaffrey.
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He was a Fran recruit, so I think that counts even more than any leftover player who transferred out before playing for McCaffrey.
RocknRollface
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Why would you be glad it didn't work out? I can't see any angle where that could have benefited Iowa.
His presence would have no bearing on the current recruiting class, other than not being able to bring in a 6th player.
Basically your saying it was better to have an empty scholarship for two straight years.
Iowa likely could have got to the dance this year with another ball handler and defender.
RocknRollface
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Actually he did take summer classes at Iowa which is why had to sit out this year at where ever he is now.
sportstalent
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I'm just not such a big fan of JUCO's...that is all I am saying. I do think it would have had an impact on this year's class. I would say that either Ingram or Clemmons wouldn't have been a Hawkeye, just my personal opinion. In the end, I like building with freshman and not JUCO's, just my personal preference. There aren't that many like Jae Crowder or Reggie Evans out there.
if i got this right Fran had 11 players on Scholarship his 1st year and won 11 games, then he had 11 players on schalorship this year and won 18 games with a win in the BTT and 1 game in the NIT, next year it appears he will have 12 on scholarship, and are worried about winning next season, i must be missing something,
i also see some that Fran will have that he did not have his 1st 2 years and that is having 2 scholarship players at each position to work with.
Gesell vs Clemmons
Oglesby vs Ingram
Marble vs May or Marble vs Stokes if May can't go
White vs Basabe
McCabe vs Meyer
OR
White vs Meyer
Basabe vs McCabe
Olaseni vs Woodbury
in practice, this is something Fran now as to work with and something Lick never had and i am not certain that Alford had very often if at all.
that makes 13 players for 5 spots, and 200 total minutes per game to go around
i also see some that Fran will have that he did not have his 1st 2 years and that is having 2 scholarship players at each position to work with.
Gesell vs Clemmons
Oglesby vs Ingram
Marble vs May or Marble vs Stokes if May can't go
White vs Basabe
McCabe vs Meyer
OR
White vs Meyer
Basabe vs McCabe
Olaseni vs Woodbury
in practice, this is something Fran now as to work with and something Lick never had and i am not certain that Alford had very often if at all.
that makes 13 players for 5 spots, and 200 total minutes per game to go around
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clicheusername3
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I'm not even going to begin breaking down the utter retardedness of this post.
Section136
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If Hubbard counts (which I think he should), Basabe should count as someone who transferred here. He signed a LOI with Siena and was released after Fran left.
Section136
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i am fine with counting hubbard because he was on campus and enrolled in classes. but counting kids that havent attended school and only had loi i dont think so. then we have to add brust and larsen. and i dont think fran was sorry to lose them.
hawkfarmer
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Shoot I knew there was a direct correlation between # of scholly players and wins. That's why Kentucky must be so good, they have 13 scholarship players even though they only have a 7 man rotation.
ColumbusHawk
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I don't understand the prejudice against JUCO players. Three of the four best Iowa players I have ever seen play were JUCO players. Sam Williams, John Johnson & Freddie Brown are one, two & three, respectively, in career scoring average.
Sam Williams was the last Iowa player to win the Silver Basketball. Of course, nobody is going to win the Silver Basketball again because the Tribune stopped awarding it after the '07 season. The Tribune still awards the Silver Football.
Further, all three have Big Ten championship rings. Something Iowa hasn't accomplished in thirty-three years & counting.
If Fran can bring in talent like Sam Williams, John Johnson & Freddie Brown, I don't care where they come from.
ssckelley
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Why would you count Hubbard? When you transfer from 1 school to another don't they transfer academic records? In this case since Hubbard did not even set foot in a classroom how can you call Hubbard a "transfer"? Do you count Larson and Brust as transfers then since they had signed a LOI to play for Iowa but ended up somewhere else? If so, wow Frans record looks horrible! Maybe we better petition to bring back Lick.
ColumbusHawk
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Didn't you read any of the earlier posts. Hubbard was enrolled in classes at Iowa. For some reason, that many of us have not figured out, Hubbard was ineligible this year because he attended classes at Iowa last summer.
Hubbard is hard to classify as he never played or practiced under Fran, if he was enrolled in classes for the summer, i would guess he counts but i am not sure he even went to a class. as for not wanting JUCO's, i am not sure there are that many that are against them.
the 3 you mentioned all turned out to be great Hawks, but i think Evans had alot to do with people souring on them as to how much of a problem maker he turned into his SR. year, and we also have Hubbard and Archie as a fresh reminder of the opposite end of success with JUCO's. JUCO's are a mixed bag, Gamble and Barnes were also successful JUCO's, but as i said they can be a great 2 year, sometimes 3 year hole plugger until you get the HS kids to buy into the program.
if you look at it from a business standpoint, wouldn't be better to bring in players with bad habits and teach them yourself, or would you rather bring in a Hired gun for a couple years that has bad habits and then leave, without reaping your efforts for a couple more years?
i think this is where the question lingers over what the Mayor is doing vs Fran.
1 maybe 2 years of success or the long term success that 4 year players bring
the 3 you mentioned all turned out to be great Hawks, but i think Evans had alot to do with people souring on them as to how much of a problem maker he turned into his SR. year, and we also have Hubbard and Archie as a fresh reminder of the opposite end of success with JUCO's. JUCO's are a mixed bag, Gamble and Barnes were also successful JUCO's, but as i said they can be a great 2 year, sometimes 3 year hole plugger until you get the HS kids to buy into the program.
if you look at it from a business standpoint, wouldn't be better to bring in players with bad habits and teach them yourself, or would you rather bring in a Hired gun for a couple years that has bad habits and then leave, without reaping your efforts for a couple more years?
i think this is where the question lingers over what the Mayor is doing vs Fran.
1 maybe 2 years of success or the long term success that 4 year players bring
ColumbusHawk
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Ralph Miller loved JUCO players. His success at Iowa was very good. He had two titles in six seasons. He proved you can have long-term success with JUCO players. John Johnson replaced Sam Williams.
You can't find any four-year player in Iowa history that put up the numbers Williams & Johnson put up in four straight years. You can have long-term success with JUCO players. Ralph won two Big Ten titles in his last three years. Iowa has only one Big Ten title in the forty-two years since Ralph left.
Williams & Johnson, combined, scored 232 more points than Roy Marble in 36 less games.
ssckelley
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Nah, not really...just kinda skimmed through some of it.
If he did take classes then I guess you can call it a transfer.
When I think of a transfer I think of a scholarship player that leaves the basketball program for another one. Even though he registered and attended a few summer classes he never really was part of the basketball program yet. We just do not see people leaving the basketball program like we did when Lick was here. The longer Fran coaches here, going forward I do not expect to see a lot of student athletes transferring.
i guess the answer to my question as to do JUCO's count as transferrs, i am getting the impression they are not, it is my understanding since the JUCO's for one reason of another could not qualify to go to college, but for them to be called a transfer, they went to a 4 year school the tranferred out because of problems or in search of more playing time. is this the correct thinking?
sportstalent
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Well, having never seen any of them play, I can't judge them and will take that into consideration. However, when did they play at Iowa?
With JUCO's today, having had a close personal friend play at IHCC, I guess I have a different perception as well. I also know someone who played this season at IHCC, in a different athletic program and well, lets just say I hope no IHCC player ends up at Iowa...at least not from the current team. I know not all JUCO programs are the same.
I think today there is a much bigger risk with JUCO players and I don't believe they are a prominent of contributors as they used to be...or let me clarify, I don't see as many JUCO's making impacts as I used too...maybe I a wrong and it won't be first time, or the last.
what are talking about i asked 2 questions and got numerous responses and a actual discussion, how is that a waste of time. maybe you can do better.
