SO.. ANYONE A BELIEVER

I will believe when there is consistency established over the long haul. Too much hoopla too early ignores the massive work still needed to be a winner for the season and beyond. The celebrating, the kudos, should be handed out when its all done and over with.
 
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I will believe when there is consistency established over the long haul. Too much hoopla too early ignores the massive work still needed to be a winner for the season and beyond. The celebrating, the kudos, should be handed out when its all done and over with."

If that's the case, then maybe some of you (you know who you are) should apply the same logic before posting the anti-Lick vitriol that seems to show up after every loss.
 
knighthawk13 said:
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I will believe when there is consistency established over the long haul. Too much hoopla too early ignores the massive work still needed to be a winner for the season and beyond. The celebrating, the kudos, should be handed out when its all done and over with."

If that's the case, then maybe some of you (you know who you are) should apply the same logic before posting the anti-Lick vitriol that seems to show up after every loss.
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SWING AND DRIVE! THAT BALL IS HIGH...THAT BALL IS FAR...THAT BALL IS...LOOOONG GOOOOOOOOONE!!!
 
I don't think people should all of the sudden raise the flag of expectations for this team...otherwise you are doing them a disservice because you will then be disappointed and might have a snap back reaction.

They are challenged. They are not deep. But they are fighting and they dont quit and we can all appreciate that...and as long as they keep doing that the rest of the way they will have earned our respect and we can look forward to next year with some degree of optimism.

But don't crown them right now, as its not fair to them, IMO
 
Right on Jon, I think they are making great strides over this season. After watching them play vs Illini earlier in the year, to how they played at MSU. BIG difference and I think as the year goes along they will improve even more. They will probably win a few more, but to say we are back in the big ten race, not even close. We will see how we handle OSU's press. That will be a big game, if we can hang around, we could pull the upset, but i am just hoping for a good clean game!
 
We still haven't beaten a good team.

What we're seeing here is that we are becoming more competitive, and that we are certainly not the no questions asked worst team in the conference.

But we're still clearly in the bottom tier.

Beat Ohio State and then we can talk about maybe something has clicked.

Don't get blown out for the rest of the year, and make it a game for 36 of 40 minutes? Maybe we're starting to see a corner to turn.

We have 9 Big Ten games remaining. Win 4 of those and don't get blown out in the 5 losses and we have something to build on.

Win a game in the Big Ten Tournament and you have something to build on.

All this win proves is that we are part of the bottom tier and simply not the bottom.

But I have to be totally honest, after the past year and a half, I'll take that right now.
 
This team is in the bottom tier talent wise, and nothing that happens the rest of the year changes that. Talent is the biggest deficit in the program right now and that won't be changed until the start of next year, and they will still be green. With Archie redshirting, Iowa has one ride to give in the next class...and they had better take a point guard.

But again, I like how hard they are playing and they are not quitting. Just make it out healthy through the next 12 or so games this year is one of the biggest things I want to see, then just keep fighting. As long as they fight and play as hard as they can, the wins and losses don't matter all that much to me in a year where they are not going to make the post season. Just improve
 
JonDMiller said:
I don't think people should all of the sudden raise the flag of expectations for this team...otherwise you are doing them a disservice because you will then be disappointed and might have a snap back reaction.

They are challenged. They are not deep. But they are fighting and they dont quit and we can all appreciate that...and as long as they keep doing that the rest of the way they will have earned our respect and we can look forward to next year with some degree of optimism.

But don't crown them right now, as its not fair to them, IMO
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Agree, if they get blown out, people I am sure will be back with the negative. They shouldn't, whether we like it or not this is a rebuilding. Now we can at least see there might be light at the end of the tunnel.

I posted a signs of improvement post after MSU. Nothing has changed except they have taken another small step. Fuller needs to continue to build confidence but I love his game (that drive to the left, pivot and hit the baby hook with the right hand was a big time move). May has some great attributes but obviously still has things to work on. Love Cole's heart, defense and rebounding. Payne is gutsy. Gatens is Gatens. I would add that Cougill has given some really positive minutes that last few games (I still would like to see him get some touches on the block).

If they continue to improve this team could be good next year. This year they just don't have the depth and experience to consistently compete. I still believe they really need to upgrade the point guard position overall. Cully's improvement from fresh to soph is part of it but they need another ball-handler. Lick and Tucker are not it. Can Brust fill in at point? That is a big question.
 
If by being a "believer" you mean that I now believe that Lickliter is going to get us back to winning 20 games and getting to the NCAA Tournament, then I am not there yet. Not by a longshot. The team needs more depth, more experience, and probably still more talent, which next year's recruiting class should hopefully help to remedy.

There is a LOT of work to be done before I am fully on board the Lickliter bandwagon, but I will say this - the last few conference games are a step in the right direction. I am no longer completely convinced that the Lickliter era is going to end in disaster, which is at least a start. Let's see how it goes the rest of the year, and next year, before popping any champaign corks, though.

Next year, we still need to win quite a few more games and be in contention for a post-season appearance IMO.
 
This team is looking more like what I expected to see. It has taken them longer to mesh/gel, but they look in sync on the court. A 100% Fuller does so much for this team. He can get his shot off against taller opponents and having a big that requires attention opens up so much more for the rest of the offense.

Need to cut down on turnovers, but if Iowa can play D like they did last night and get into their offense like they did, they will stick around in a lot of games.
 
They need to be consistent over the year and winning next. I was highly critical of Lick and remain skeptical. I'm becoming more hopeful with the accounts of the new recruits. At first I thought Larson was the only one that would contribute at a high level right away. Now it appears all four will be able to contribute next year.

Jake Sullivan told me last fall that McCabe could be all big ten before he is through. For sure solid big ten player. Brust is just blowing up this year and may end up being the best recruit right away. Marble is one I didn't think was as good but he has really stepped up this year. All are having great senior years.

With all of that said, Lick is going to have to win and win soon. Year four is about enough if he doesn't. Year five at the most. Five years is more than enough to turn a program.
 
I do think that if you look closely this team looks very much like an Iowa Football team that had gone 1-10 the year before and did not look so good when they came up a rated Northwestern team and beat them in November so many year ago. This BB team has still a ways to go, but is making progress and TL may make a successful transition to a winning program, just like our FB coach. Time will tell and this weeks game will definitely go a long way to tell and I don't feel like they have to win this week.
 
I'm a believer.

I believe they have played better the last few games.
 
I WAS a believer. Then Jake Kelly, Jeff Peterson, Davis and Palmer transferred. The most important thing that happens this year for the basketball team doesn't occur during the season, but what happens afterward.
 
I like hearing some people say that they are starting to get some hope for the program and maybe a little respect for Lickliter and the future. I also think it is too early to say we can play with the top of the big 10. We played Michigan State tough which I was impressed with. I have been a believer before the wins have come of late, but I think people are getting overly confident with the abilities of this team. Keep getting better every game and build on all the experience we get this year. We should have some depth for next year and if we could make the NIT/NCAA tourney next year that would be good progress. Ultimately we need to be contending for the NCAA tourney every year.

I just hope people don't get extreme with our next loss which will more then likely happen against Ohio State. Remember that we shouldn't beat Ohio State on Wednesday. However, I'll be watching and hoping for a W. Hopefully CHA will have a feel of home court advantage to help.
 
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