So, according to ESPN, we're 28th??

paulzoss

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ESPN continues to use its own "Football Power Index" to rank the nation's football teams and to predict future results. They're proud of their little Index, but they keep their calculations secret. In describing how it works, they say the Index has "a predicted offensive, defensive and special teams component ... represent[ing] the number of points each unit is expected to contribute to its net scoring margin on a neutral field against an average FBS opponent." The Index also factors in a preseason component which takes into account "prior performance, returning starters, recruiting rankings and coaching tenure." ESPN keeps its actual calculations secret, but defends them as being an accurate predictor of future results: http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/109828/reintroducing-espns-college-football-power-index

In reality, the Index is just a form of statistical voodoo ESPN uses to support its preconceptions.

Iowa started the year ranked 53rd on the Index, which is understandable. By the time Iowa was 7-0, ESPN had moved us up to 29th, which was puzzling but somewhat understandable. Surprisingly, however, after that NOTHING HAPPENED. We stayed at 29th, week after week, even as we climbed to 11-0. Over those weeks, teams ahead of us lost multiple games, and some of those losses were to teams we had defeated, but nothing changed.

I thought that 12-0 would finally give us a lift, and it did. As of today, ESPN now ranks us at 28th:

http://espn.go.com/college-football/statistics/teamratings/_/year/2015/key/20151128040000

That's right. After thumping Nebraska in their own stadium to reach 12-0 and finishing the regular season as one of the only two remaining undefeated teams, ESPN says we are just the 28th best team, behind such teams as Cal (6-5), West Virginia (6-4), and Arkansas (7-5), plus ten other 3 and 4 loss teams.

ESPN defense is that the Index is an accurate predictive tool. I think they're lying. They have been wrong about Iowa all season long, week after week. When a calculation produces observably nonsensical results, its methodology should be reviewed and changed. ESPN refuses to do this.
 
That is the "eye test index". Results be damned. Everybody knows Nebraska is 11 spots better than NW.

That might be the biggest joke of an index ever
 
That's the same people that said we would not beat Nebraska.HaHa. 12-0 live with it. We're not going away.13-0 sounds real good
 
Yes, but winning doesn't change our recruiting stars or prior performance. They highest we can finish according to them is 13, even if we win the national championship.

Don't you get it? To espn, this isn't something you can decide on the field, it's more like gymnastics.
 
We are the exception that proves the rule???

My guess is that recruiting ranking is a very very large component of the FPI.
I wouldn't be surprised to see ESPN tweak the formula next year to down play the previous year's results. This keeping Iowa in the high twenties.
 
I don't know exactly how it works, but it has to take into account
a) recruiting rankings
and or
b) past years success / prior history/etc

otherwise there is no way we would consistently get screwed over by it like that.
 
IMO, ESPN has done more to ruin sports, especially college sports, in the last 10 years than any other entity known to man. They have become the elephant in the room and the pure arrogance they display is disgusting. The overriding factor in the broadcasting and opinion of sports is completely controlled by their marketing dept. If Iowa was an island off the coast of New York City they would be the #1 team in the nation.
 
IMO, ESPN has done more to ruin sports, especially college sports, in the last 10 years than any other entity known to man. They have become the elephant in the room and the pure arrogance they display is disgusting. The overriding factor in the broadcasting and opinion of sports is completely controlled by their marketing dept. If Iowa was an island off the coast of New York City they would be the #1 team in the nation.

The only complaint we could have is if we went 13-0 and weren't invited to the playoffs. Otherwise, the system works. ESPN is not ruining college sports. You just don't like it, along with many others. I still enjoyed watching the hawks yesterday. I'm enjoying 12-0 today. Just don't watch espn except for the games. Tune out the talking heads. But the game isn't ruined by espn. They are giving opinions. That is it. We are an unknown. The underdog. Why would they root for us. If Houston or Memphis or navy is 12-0 and in the top 4 WE all are probably hating on them. It's the way it is.
 
IMO, ESPN has done more to ruin sports, especially college sports, in the last 10 years than any other entity known to man. They have become the elephant in the room and the pure arrogance they display is disgusting. The overriding factor in the broadcasting and opinion of sports is completely controlled by their marketing dept. If Iowa was an island off the coast of New York City they would be the #1 team in the nation.

I couldn't agree more! The spotlight of individual plays over team success has helped to fuel the "get mine" attitude of much of today's players. Pay attention to how many times the top 10 plays are made by the players on the losing team. And the ruining of Sportscenter, the pushing of female sideline reporters who know nothing about the sport(even my wife constantly ask, "why the F is she even out there), the arrogance and idiocy of their opinion guys are all reason why ESPN lost 7 million subscribers so far this year. So just keep on keepin' on ESPN....right into bankruptcy!
 
I don't care.

Quite frankly, neither should you.

RushTogether, what was the purpose of your reply? If you really don't care about this, good for you. But I don't understand why you responded to my post at all. Quite frankly, other than being rude and pedantic, you added nothing. Why should I stop caring about something just because you don't care about it?

I feel ESPN's use of this index is an outrage. If no one calls them on this type of thing, things will never change. Perception can become reality.
 
Watching 1 second of ESPN is a waste. Case in point, I just flipped over to ESPN and Herby is saying that a 1 loss Florida wouldn't deserve to be in???? WTF is that? I mean seriously they would have to beat Florida St. and Bama and he doesn't think they should be in because even though their defense is good he has questions about their offense???

They would be 12-1, SEC champs, they are in no questions about it. Why would a 1 loss Bama deserve to be in, but not a 1 loss Florida.....STUPID...
 
I'll continue to watch ESPN when something of interest to me is on. However, they lost most of their credibility as a sports network when they aired the national spelling bee and the world poker championship.
 
The guy who made it up was on a podcast I listened to a couple weeks ago and he explained it like this. He went through our schedule game by bame saying how the games effected our ranking. Wisconsin and Northwestern are the only 2 games that helped us. ISU hurt us bad because they're a bad team and we were tied late in the game. Also garbage points don't count so our late td didn't help the margin of victory. Illinois, Maryland, Indiana, and everyone else hurt us because we played them about how the 28th place team in the nation should play them. Keep in mind that Indiana and Minnesota had garbage td's late to make the score closer than it actually was, but apparently those counted but the one we had against ISU didn't.

What's funny is everything he said made sense until you decide to try to find 27 other teams who's resumes you can't pick apart just as much if not more. How did Bama do againt their schedule? Ohio State should be ranked right down with us. Same as MSU, Oklahoma State, Notre Dame, and pretty much everyone else. Finding a handful of team that played their schedule better than we played ours would be tough, let alone finding 27 teams. The guy who made this up should be publicly mocked at every turn.
 
I don't know exactly how it works, but it has to take into account
a) recruiting rankings
and or
b) past years success / prior history/etc

otherwise there is no way we would consistently get screwed over by it like that.

Yep, It involves recruiting rankings, past success AND Conference. Someone on Reddit tried to replicate it and couldnt unless he added recruiting, past years and had to give the SEC teams a bump just to have things add up. Its a made up, dumb ranking system used only by ESPN to make teams in the SEC look better. Funny, doesnt ESPN have a rooting interest in seeing the SEC do well?..... Hmm
 
RushTogether, what was the purpose of your reply? If you really don't care about this, good for you. But I don't understand why you responded to my post at all. Quite frankly, other than being rude and pedantic, you added nothing. Why should I stop caring about something just because you don't care about it?

I feel ESPN's use of this index is an outrage. If no one calls them on this type of thing, things will never change. Perception can become reality.


An outrage?
Really?

How does it effect what our team has done?
How does it take away anything from them?
How does it effect their future?

You need to lighten up
 

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