SI.com's Top 10 Big Ten Players (no hawks)

GhostofBTT said:
Paul is not a great player to have on a team because he's kind of a dick and a ball hog, but he is a very good player, and he's going into his senior season, and no doubt he'll put up numbers that will dwarf White. Paul could very well average over 20 a game this year if Egwu has a pulse. Hardaway Jr. may be a bad shooter, but I don't think he's over rated by any stretch. He's a really big, fluid athlete who moves well without the ball and is a great piece in UM's zone defense with his incredible length.
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None of the three are big time players.

All three averaged around 14 points a game, White ended up averaging 11 playing around 10 minuets a game less as a freshman.

Paul, like you said, talented ball hog, shoots too much to get his points, does not make other better. Has the talent to be a top player, but he isn't.

Hardaways pretty good, shoots allot doesnt' make allot, good defender.

Appling, great athlete, playing out of position at the 1, solid but not a real specialist at anything other than running and defense.

We all know what White brings, match up problem at the 4 on offense, good rebounder, smart player, fantastic in transition, shoots a high percentage, average defender.

I don't see it as a stretch to put White in the same category as those 3 at all. You could rank them in any order IMO.

I personally would take Paul last of the 4.
 


RocknRollface said:
Not a big Paul fan. Id probably knock him down to 11 and put Aaron White somewhere around 9 or 10.

Conference is very deep but no real superstars on that list outside of Zeller.

Im looking forward to playing PSU and seeing the Hawk guards actually being able to defend Frazier this year. Yes I am looking forward to watching defense, lol, just because it was gd pathetic last year.
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DeShaun Thomas of OSU will be an absolute stud by the end of the year.
 


RocknRollface said:
None of the three are big time players.

All three averaged around 14 points a game, White ended up averaging 11 playing around 10 minuets a game less as a freshman.

Paul, like you said, talented ball hog, shoots too much to get his points, does not make other better. Has the talent to be a top player, but he isn't.

Hardaways pretty good, shoots allot doesnt' make allot, good defender.

Appling, great athlete, playing out of position at the 1, solid but not a real specialist at anything other than running and defense.

We all know what White brings, match up problem at the 4 on offense, good rebounder, smart player, fantastic in transition, shoots a high percentage, average defender.

I don't see it as a stretch to put White in the same category as those 3 at all. You could rank them in any order IMO.

I personally would take Paul last of the 4.
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I agree with most of this, except for your characterization of White. He's a below average defender, probably an average rebounder, but a great finisher. He is a smart player which makes up for his sluggish lateral quickness.

However, I'm afraid the reason why White won't be on any all BoneG teams, while guys liek Paul will be, is because he's log-jammed at a deep position for a team that is going to rotate players in at a fast pace.

I would love to see White on the court for 32 minutes a game this year, but I bet he'll only see 25.
 


I understand that length can be less desirable for ladies cuz they can only accept so much. Girth is a different story I'm told.
 




I think White's efficiency will dip this year. It almost always does when shot volume increases and his will most certainly increase.

Just my opinion but defenses are going to key on White and Marble. Last year it was Gatens and Marble. It's different being third fiddle as opposed to one of the guys that the opposing coaches are gameplanning for.
 


I put a little moar thought into my desire to have White play 30+ minutes a game. He didn't do it often last year, but during a 6 game stretch in February, he played above 30 minutes in each. His numbers are as follows:

13ppg; 7.8rpg; 57% shooting. The Hox went 3-3 in that stretch, with wins over ranked Indiana and Wisconsin, but inexplicable losses to Illinois and Penn St.
 


RocknRollface said:
Not a big Paul fan. Id probably knock him down to 11 and put Aaron White somewhere around 9 or 10.

Conference is very deep but no real superstars on that list outside of Zeller.

Im looking forward to playing PSU and seeing the Hawk guards actually being able to defend Frazier this year. Yes I am looking forward to watching defense, lol, just because it was gd pathetic last year.
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I agree, Paul was way too streaky IMO. His FG, FT, and 3-Pt percentages all decreased from the year prior.
Hard to compare because they played different positions, but I think White had better numbers.

White 24mins, 11 pts, 6 boards a game
FG: 50%
FT: 70%
3Pt: 28%

Paul 33 mins, 15 pts, 5 boards a game
FG: 39%
FT: 73%
3Pt: 33%
 


H8IAST8 said:
I agree, Paul was way too streaky IMO. His FG, FT, and 3-Pt percentages all decreased from the year prior.
Hard to compare because they played different positions, but I think White had better numbers.

White 24mins, 11 pts, 6 boards a game
FG: 50%
FT: 70%
3Pt: 28%

Paul 33 mins, 15 pts, 5 boards a game
FG: 39%
FT: 73%
3Pt: 33%
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Paul is a tough guy to pin down. I mean, last year, he was on a team that completely disintegrated. But he was also playing on a team with a lottery pick big man. Will a new coaching staff straighten him out, or will the loss of Leonard making his shooting % drop further?
 


GhostofBTT said:
I put a little moar thought into my desire to have White play 30+ minutes a game. He didn't do it often last year, but during a 6 game stretch in February, he played above 30 minutes in each. His numbers are as follows:

13ppg; 7.8rpg; 57% shooting. The Hox went 3-3 in that stretch, with wins over ranked Indiana and Wisconsin, but inexplicable losses to Illinois and Penn St.
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Yet you say Paul's numbers will "dwarf" White's? "Numbers" are a bit more than just scoring.
 


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