SDK46
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Wrong
So wrong.
How many other times has he done this when he was really tanked? This isn't the first time.
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So wrong.
How many other times has he done this when he was really tanked? This isn't the first time.
racerhawk
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Yes. It is called desocialization. It is part of the process of breaking down a recruit so that you can resocialize that individual to do a job that requires an entirely different form of humanity than the one we develop as civilians. We don't have to kill people, nor do we have to put ouselves into situations where people are routinely trying to kill us. This desocialization and resocialization is one reason so many service men and women have difficulty re-entering civilian life.
Just a little different than going from Jr. High to High School.
We had one bad *** coach and it was made perfectly clear that when we were representing our school and team that we needed to act like men. Their was no need for jacking around and getting your self in trouble just because you felt like being a knuckle head. We didnt loose many games as freshman and we all respected and looked up to him as our coach. The rules were simple, sprots are a privilege, we were a team, and if you want to make bad decisions it effects everyone not just you. This was a lesson we only needed to learn once.
NewMexHawk
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1. The coaches should get chaperones for the players so they stay out of trouble.
2. Sally should personally talk with each and every player about drinking.
Football players or not, these are still college students and they are going to go out evenings. Parties are the number one entertainment whether you or anyone else likes it and beverages are served at these parties (beer and usually lots of it). Nothing has changed since any of us has gone to college or before us. And many who have not gone to college do the same thing...drinking is a major pastine for young folks. Always has and always will be. It is never going to change, especially in a college atmosphere. No matter how many laws are passed, bars are closed to people under 21, whatever, drinking still be the number one pastime...parties. If they can't go into bars and dance, the scene just moves to private parties outside of downtown.
The city council did everyone a favor passing the new law keeping kids out of bars so they couldn't drink. Did they think the kids would just quit drinking? Instead of kids walking back to dorms when they are drunk, they now have to drive to get home. Or they get into their car, get a case of beer and drive around out in the country drinking the beer. Some things never change. Just more of them get picked up now.
Some say, 21 is 21...and that is the law. How many of you drank under age and ignored the law. Same thing, some thngs don't change. Should they be driving and drinking...no. Will they...yes. The age limit should just be lowered to 18 and be done with.
What else are they going to do when they go out? Have drum parties, play cards for toothpicks and drink sodas at the local church? Go downtown to the rec center and play pool? Go to a movie and go back to their apartment/dorm? Parties have been the norm for decades and decades and decades. That is where men and women get together and when they do, beer and music (and probably weed in many cases) are involved. That is a simple fact.
Some are going to go to parties and some are going to drink. If they drink and drive in Iowa City these days they risk getting picked up. Hell, in Iowa City if you are walking around drunk you will get picked up...that's Iowa City whether we like it or not.
Good judgement? He was out having fun. He got picked up, now he has to pay the price. It is expensive to get picked up for drunk driving. He should have taken a taxi. He knew the risks.
Personally, I am more disappointed that he was driving while drinking than the fact he was out partying. When drinking and we all know this, your judgement gets clouded. Too bad a friend or two didn't call a cab for him. The drinking while driving is the only part that was bad because that was dangerous to himself and to others. Football is secondary compared to that.
A one game suspension should be enough because what KF puts him will be tougher.
2. Sally should personally talk with each and every player about drinking.
Football players or not, these are still college students and they are going to go out evenings. Parties are the number one entertainment whether you or anyone else likes it and beverages are served at these parties (beer and usually lots of it). Nothing has changed since any of us has gone to college or before us. And many who have not gone to college do the same thing...drinking is a major pastine for young folks. Always has and always will be. It is never going to change, especially in a college atmosphere. No matter how many laws are passed, bars are closed to people under 21, whatever, drinking still be the number one pastime...parties. If they can't go into bars and dance, the scene just moves to private parties outside of downtown.
The city council did everyone a favor passing the new law keeping kids out of bars so they couldn't drink. Did they think the kids would just quit drinking? Instead of kids walking back to dorms when they are drunk, they now have to drive to get home. Or they get into their car, get a case of beer and drive around out in the country drinking the beer. Some things never change. Just more of them get picked up now.
Some say, 21 is 21...and that is the law. How many of you drank under age and ignored the law. Same thing, some thngs don't change. Should they be driving and drinking...no. Will they...yes. The age limit should just be lowered to 18 and be done with.
What else are they going to do when they go out? Have drum parties, play cards for toothpicks and drink sodas at the local church? Go downtown to the rec center and play pool? Go to a movie and go back to their apartment/dorm? Parties have been the norm for decades and decades and decades. That is where men and women get together and when they do, beer and music (and probably weed in many cases) are involved. That is a simple fact.
Some are going to go to parties and some are going to drink. If they drink and drive in Iowa City these days they risk getting picked up. Hell, in Iowa City if you are walking around drunk you will get picked up...that's Iowa City whether we like it or not.
Good judgement? He was out having fun. He got picked up, now he has to pay the price. It is expensive to get picked up for drunk driving. He should have taken a taxi. He knew the risks.
Personally, I am more disappointed that he was driving while drinking than the fact he was out partying. When drinking and we all know this, your judgement gets clouded. Too bad a friend or two didn't call a cab for him. The drinking while driving is the only part that was bad because that was dangerous to himself and to others. Football is secondary compared to that.
A one game suspension should be enough because what KF puts him will be tougher.
John Cheney at Temple didn't allow his players to have a car.
As far as the bad*** coach thing. We had a good coach that went on to coach at a major university. He had rules and enforced them. He wouldn't tolerate poor grades or breaking the law. Um yeah, and we didn't lose any games as freshmen in California Division 4A, which was the highest division at the time in CA.
By the way, how would your coach respond if he found out you called him bad***?
Sorry, but I teach group leadership and your coach making the team workout until kids are puking and crying because one kid used foul language in a social setting is borderline psychopathic behavior. It might be hard to see it that way, but the punishment should fit the crime and that is excessive. Sounds like the dude had something else entirely going on.
As far as the bad*** coach thing. We had a good coach that went on to coach at a major university. He had rules and enforced them. He wouldn't tolerate poor grades or breaking the law. Um yeah, and we didn't lose any games as freshmen in California Division 4A, which was the highest division at the time in CA.
By the way, how would your coach respond if he found out you called him bad***?
Sorry, but I teach group leadership and your coach making the team workout until kids are puking and crying because one kid used foul language in a social setting is borderline psychopathic behavior. It might be hard to see it that way, but the punishment should fit the crime and that is excessive. Sounds like the dude had something else entirely going on.
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whammer33024
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i see where you're coming from about running them til they puke being over the line...but my college baseball coach would pull the violator off to the side and make him watch the rest of the team run many sprints. granted, no one puked. it sucked doing the running and the violator learned his lesson from the captains that made HIM run after.
i really hope someone besides KF lays the lumber on binns after he faces KF's punishment. some players need to get together and let the offenders know that this kind of behavior will not be tolerated
i really hope someone besides KF lays the lumber on binns after he faces KF's punishment. some players need to get together and let the offenders know that this kind of behavior will not be tolerated
ThunderHawk
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I wouldn't even drive through UH sober. Their cops are the gestapo.
NewMexHawk
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Making the others suffer for another's misdeeds is wrong. That is how they do it in the military and Iowa football is not the military.
The punishment should fit the crime and the person doing the misdeed(s) should do the punishments and no one else. Now if the rest of the team observes the person running extra stadium stairs or doing a little extra work for his misdeeds to drive a point home, that is different.
The punishment should fit the crime and the person doing the misdeed(s) should do the punishments and no one else. Now if the rest of the team observes the person running extra stadium stairs or doing a little extra work for his misdeeds to drive a point home, that is different.
ShadasRevenge
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Regardless of how Kirk handles this, or has handled these things in the past, I really doubt that the NCAA would have any reason to look at Iowa. These aren't recruiting violations, or evidence of a kid getting paid under the table, or a kid getting grades written in for him. If any one of those things happened (there are more examples, but that's what I can think of), the NCAA would be within it's AOR to look at the school. An OWI, or even several OWI's doesn't warrant such a look.