So this just happened... What a crock.. Harbaugh sure has ruffled up the SECs skirts. http://espn.go.com/college-football...aa-bans-satellite-camps-effective-immediately
SEC < B1G....
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ColumbusHawk
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That is why the B1G goes after Georgia Tech!
SpiderRico
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So the NCAA can, in fact, act in a matter of days to protect the almighty SEC programs...but when it comes to acting on behalf of a student athlete's future (Ott), it's crickets for months.
Typical.
Typical.
docholihawk
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This also ends the joint satellite camp in Texas with Michigan and ISU. The SEC knew they ruffled some feathers in Michigan but they have no idea of the reign of terror that the clones are about to unleash on them.
MoseSchrute
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Must...protect...$EC!!!
trj
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^^^^^^This. And the Ott case is/was relatively cut and dry.
The NCAA is truly a joke. I remember awhile back when there was talking of the major conferences just breaking away from that organization and starting there own thing. Obviously the SEC wouldn't want to do that, but at this point, we are in desperate need of change of leadership in college athletics.
I saw that KF was/is ok with this ruling. I think this may be an angle of his although I'm not sure what his public angle has been. For schools like Iowa doing those camps would be a good thing but how good?. The Michigans, PSUs, OSUs of the world some think it would just widen the gap between the middle of the pack and them. As they have the more money/prestige etc to do more of these and on a higher profile etc. So it's not just the SEC wanting to protect their back yards so much as it is the middle of the packs wanting to still have a way to compete.
My two cents on it is this. I think the NCAA took the lazy way out to pander to the SEC. Sure the other conferences voted against it too but if they would have found a way to sanction it in a fair way it could have benefited everyone especially the kids. Be it have every school can have X amount of them during such and such a time period. How difficult would it be to come up with a way to do that? The more these kids and coaches can interact prior to committing the better if you ask me for both sides. The coaches can get a better idea of what they are getting and the same for the kids getting to learn about other schools and coaches they just wouldn't otherwise...
My two cents on it is this. I think the NCAA took the lazy way out to pander to the SEC. Sure the other conferences voted against it too but if they would have found a way to sanction it in a fair way it could have benefited everyone especially the kids. Be it have every school can have X amount of them during such and such a time period. How difficult would it be to come up with a way to do that? The more these kids and coaches can interact prior to committing the better if you ask me for both sides. The coaches can get a better idea of what they are getting and the same for the kids getting to learn about other schools and coaches they just wouldn't otherwise...
SteveGarvey
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Hard to pick a side in this one. Hmmm, who to side with, Harbaugh or the $EC?
Neither of the above I guess.
Neither of the above I guess.
AreWeThereYet
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I'm going to go against the grain on this. I think college recruiting is aggressive enough as it is. Running camps in someone else's back yard threatens to stur up turf wars and more questionable stuff. Unlike many other things, these camps are pretty straight forward to control. I don't have a real problem with it.
I saw some of Mike and Mikes take on it this morning and they are coming at it from the bigger picture angle (which is the one that should matter the most) and that is how it affects the ability of the kids to be seen and evaluated. Yes now more then ever kids are available to be watched with the wonderful world of internet. However nothing beats the in person interaction of coaches being able to be with the kids. And it's not just about the 4 and 5 star kids that the SEC wants to keep down there. Not even close. It's also about the 2 and 3 stars that are fighting to be seen and get offered schollys at any and every other school. There are 85 schollys per team and many of us (I'm as guilty as any. My knee jerk reaction was this too) were thinking it was mostly about the top level kids. And maybe to the Nick Sabans of the world it kinda is. But there's only a couple schools in that stratosphere. There are hundreds and hundreds of kids that would like the exposure and opportunity to meet/perform for other coaches to try and get a spot. As much as HS game performance is used as an evaluation all these different camps are being used too. I just think after hearing that angle on it when it comes to what's best for ALL the kids is just never being taken into account by the NCAA as usual... At least they are consistant about something...
Well with today's news it looks like these camps are alive and well again. I think the sooner Iowa figures out how they want to participate in this the better off they will be. I don't think it will be a question of should we or shouldn't we. There are clear advantages to those schools that establish these off-site camps.........building relationships with players and building them early, allowing an affordable option for players to learn about coaches / programs w/o incurring the expense of travel to the school, etc. Going where the talent is much more plentiful would seem to be an advantage for those that will offer these camps. We know Kirk wasn't in favor of these camps but he's not been totally enthused about a number of changes especially relating to recruiting. I understand his position on many of these but some things you just can't swim upstream on.
I'm reminded of why conference expansion to the south is not just about dollars and cents, it's also about talent..................
I'm reminded of why conference expansion to the south is not just about dollars and cents, it's also about talent..................
SteveGarvey1
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Ability to leverage public opinion: SEC < B1G
Scoreboards, bowl results, ability to win national championships, talent that goes to the NFL, etc.: SEC > B1G
That's just the way it is right now, baby.
Scoreboards, bowl results, ability to win national championships, talent that goes to the NFL, etc.: SEC > B1G
That's just the way it is right now, baby.
OSU just single handedly put a dent into that lead last night geesh.. But yeah I agree with you. KF will have to come around to an extent. Iowa is one of the more profitable schools out there top 20ish aren't they? So it'd be a waste of resources to not be out there if they can. You just can't beat hands on coaching. The more interaction they can have with kids the better for both period.
hawkeyebob62
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KFs problem with it seems to be more about third-party operation, not necessarily off-site locations.
In reality, there is ZERO reason for a Jim Harbaugh or James Franklin to be running a camp in Georgia or Florida. If they think it's THAT important, get a damn job in Georgia or Florida.
But if the $EC is gonna get all thumb-up-the-a&& about it, maybe they should stop coming north for poaching recruits and think about playing a November night game up north instead...
In reality, there is ZERO reason for a Jim Harbaugh or James Franklin to be running a camp in Georgia or Florida. If they think it's THAT important, get a damn job in Georgia or Florida.
But if the $EC is gonna get all thumb-up-the-a&& about it, maybe they should stop coming north for poaching recruits and think about playing a November night game up north instead...
But there is a reason for coaches to want to go to GA, FL, TX, AL, etc... It's where the talent is. There's a reason Bama hasn't been camping in Iowa... They aren't going to do it when the entire state might spit out 3 to 5 kids a year worth a D1 scholly. GA spits out more 5 star kids a year then that let alone scholly worthy. And the best way to get those kids to get to know your school is to do that. It's not the only way but I'd say nothing beats face to face interaction for both the kids getting to learn about the coach and coach the kids.
Look the southern schools are welcome to go to Cali or up the coast to do the same. It's one big country so why can't everyone have the same access to the kids if they want it? If Washington State wants to throw one in FL I say go for it. Or Miami wants to go to LA then ok. I also have no problem if they were to say each school can only have 3 to 5 of them. Certainly there should be some strings. But to say that it's not a good thing for both sides to have them isn't true. It just means the southern schools may have to do some extra recruiting of their own home grown talent instead of taking it for granted that the best kids from Bama are going to stay down there.
I think the SEC likes just having to recruit against each other and the OSUs of the world. What they don't want is the Iowas Nebraskas and Wisconsins of the country getting a foot hold too and spreading the talent out that much more...
