SEC 8 team schedule vs Delaney talk of no divisions

[okeefe4prez]

The Big Ten should let in two more games to go to a 16 team league, but only after securing an automatic bid to the playoff for its conference champion (which will happen soon). Then play a 12 game conference schedule. Quit playing Moo U., Incarnate Word and the idiots from the MAC. We gain absolutely nothing from playing Iowa State.

The top two teams in the standings play off for the conference championship. Get rid of the East and West divisions; you don't need them.

Your intersectional games against the other conferences happen in the bowl games.

It's gonna happen in the next 3 to 5 years.

I think the only way the B1G will expand is if they can get 2 crown jewels that would further help to juice BTN revenues. It would have to be something like Texas and Notre Dame or Texas and UNC or UVA. I just don't see it happening because Texas doesn't believe in revenue sharing, ND has its own TV deal (perhaps if the B1G could get something worked out with NBC it may have legs) and the ACC has allegedly revamped its rules to make it virtually impossible to get out. After the epic faceplant with bringing in Maryland and Rutgers, this one would have to be some marquis programs and schools and I can't see anyone that would check the right boxes.

 

[ChosenChildren]

I think the only way the B1G will expand is if they can get 2 crown jewels that would further help to juice BTN revenues. It would have to be something like Texas and Notre Dame or Texas and UNC or UVA. I just don't see it happening because Texas doesn't believe in revenue sharing, ND has its own TV deal (perhaps if the B1G could get something worked out with NBC it may have legs) and the ACC has allegedly revamped its rules to make it virtually impossible to get out. After the epic faceplant with bringing in Maryland and Rutgers, this one would have to be some marquis programs and schools and I can't see anyone that would check the right boxes.

I agree with your analysis, but I think Oklahoma is ripe for the plucking. If Oklahoma leaves the Big 12, someone else in that conference will follow. Heck, Kansas would be a terrific add on the basketball side.

 

[THawk122]

The Big Ten should let in two more games to go to a 16 team league, but only after securing an automatic bid to the playoff for its conference champion (which will happen soon). Then play a 12 game conference schedule. Quit playing Moo U., Incarnate Word and the idiots from the MAC. We gain absolutely nothing from playing Iowa State.

The top two teams in the standings play off for the conference championship. Get rid of the East and West divisions; you don't need them.

Your intersectional games against the other conferences happen in the bowl games.

It's gonna happen in the next 3 to 5 years.

Well we did get a top 25 win this year

I think the best way is to have 3-4 permanent games (Nebraksa, Wisky, NW, Penn) and then just rotate the other 5-6 every 2 years. Best records at the end play in the CCG.
The BIG does not like to see an OSU NW game for the title.

 

[karras]

Well we did get a top 25 win this year

I think the best way is to have 3-4 permanent games (Nebraksa, Wisky, NW, Penn) and then just rotate the other 5-6 every 2 years. Best records at the end play in the CCG.
The BIG does not like to see an OSU NW game for the title.

Just curious, who does the B1G want in the CCG?

 

[okeefe4prez]

I agree with your analysis, but I think Oklahoma is ripe for the plucking. If Oklahoma leaves the Big 12, someone else in that conference will follow. Heck, Kansas would be a terrific add on the basketball side.

Oklahoma is ripe for plucking, but I thought I had heard that their legislature would mandate that Oklahoma and OSU would need to be be tied in any movement because they don't want OSU to get stuck in a sinking conference. If that is the case, no way the conference allows in two schools in the same small state. I think Kansas might have a similar issue and they suck at football (the real revenue driver for the conferences), plus it's a small state. My guess is if Oklahoma gets poached, they end up in the Pac 12 or the SEC goes to 16 and brings them and Oklahoma State in. I actually think that culturally, OU and OSU would fit best in the SEC if they move.

The real shit of it is at some point football revenues are going to flat line or even decrease and then the thought of having to send the Nebraska women's volleyball team to State College is going to start to look like a real head scratcher, so my guess is at some point, we'll see a re-alignment of non-revenue sports or major scheduling changes because it makes no sense for Nebraska to ship non-revenue teams halfway across the country when they can just play Kansas, K State, ISU, Oklahoma State, etc.

 

[okeefe4prez]

Just curious, who does the B1G want in the CCG?

Penn State, Ohio State and Michigan in a three way deathmatch. I think the B1G wants Illinois to get good again, too, because Illinois has a massive population and a shitload of fair weather fans.

 

[mopkins]

none of the realignment talk really matters until 2023. Thats when the big ten tv deal is set to expire. The pac 12 expires in 2024 and the big 12 in 2025. Thats when you could start to see real shakeups.

FWIW - NBC and Notre Dame have a deal thru 2025....and NBC only holds the rights to 7 games a year.

 

[THawk122]

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Just curious, who does the B1G want in the CCG?

Osu vs Mich vs Penn vs wisky
Big name. Lots of eyeballs, more money

 

[ChosenChildren]

Oklahoma is ripe for plucking, but I thought I had heard that their legislature would mandate that Oklahoma and OSU would need to be be tied in any movement because they don't want OSU to get stuck in a sinking conference. If that is the case, no way the conference allows in two schools in the same small state. I think Kansas might have a similar issue and they suck at football (the real revenue driver for the conferences), plus it's a small state. My guess is if Oklahoma gets poached, they end up in the Pac 12 or the SEC goes to 16 and brings them and Oklahoma State in. I actually think that culturally, OU and OSU would fit best in the SEC if they move.

The real shit of it is at some point football revenues are going to flat line or even decrease and then the thought of having to send the Nebraska women's volleyball team to State College is going to start to look like a real head scratcher, so my guess is at some point, we'll see a re-alignment of non-revenue sports or major scheduling changes because it makes no sense for Nebraska to ship non-revenue teams halfway across the country when they can just play Kansas, K State, ISU, Oklahoma State, etc.

Pure guess, but I believe The Big Ten would take Oklahoma State if they could get Oklahoma.

Oklahoma is a state of about 4 million people (larger than Nebraska or Iowa).

Another plum would be Pittsburgh. North Carolina also makes sense.

 

[okeefe4prez]

Pure guess, but I believe The Big Ten would take Oklahoma State if they could get Oklahoma.

Oklahoma is a state of about 4 million people (larger than Nebraska or Iowa).

Another plum would be Pittsburgh. North Carolina also makes sense.

Pittsburgh wouldn't make sense because PA is already in the BTN footprint. When Delaney whored out the conference on the last round of expansion, he made it abundantly clear that population for cable subscribers was a key factor in expansion. With Nebraska, he thought he was bringing in a football power that would be able to counter PSU, Michigan and OSU. Oops.

 

[ChosenChildren]

Pittsburgh wouldn't make sense because PA is already in the BTN footprint. When Delaney whored out the conference on the last round of expansion, he made it abundantly clear that population for cable subscribers was a key factor in expansion. With Nebraska, he thought he was bringing in a football power that would be able to counter PSU, Michigan and OSU. Oops.

I just wonder if the "cable" model will continue to be relevant going forward. I think you bring in the best programs possible from a competitive standpoint. The real plum is Notre Dame. How can that be done? They really do belong in the Big Ten. Texas would also expand the Big Ten footprint.

I also still think that Nebraska is a sleeping giant. That entire state is 100% behind that team.

 

[okeefe4prez]

I just wonder if the "cable" model will continue to be relevant going forward. I think you bring in the best programs possible from a competitive standpoint. The real plum is Notre Dame. How can that be done? They really do belong in the Big Ten. Texas would also expand the Big Ten footprint.

I also still think that Nebraska is a sleeping giant. That entire state is 100% behind that team.

Over the long term, the cable model will bust and the Rutgers/MD move is gonna look dumb.

I agree, though, do what is best from a competitive standpoint and it will all work itself out. You pull Oklahoma into the conference and there would be a counterweight to the big teams in the East, which would help tremendously.

I also agree that Nebraska is a sleeping giant. If they get good enough to where they have a monopoly on players in Nebraska, Kansas and the KC area and there are a few good recruiting classes regionally, they could be pretty formidable. They ain't gonna be as good as the teams that pull guys out of the southeast, but among the Big Ten teams, they'll be right there.

 

[kicker22]

I just wonder if the "cable" model will continue to be relevant going forward. I think you bring in the best programs possible from a competitive standpoint. The real plum is Notre Dame. How can that be done? They really do belong in the Big Ten. Texas would also expand the Big Ten footprint.

I also still think that Nebraska is a sleeping giant. That entire state is 100% behind that team.

How long do we let them sleep? Better poke them they may be dead!!!

Call me crazy but I have very little interest in adding ND (ship has already sailed and they decided not to board) and/or Texas. I do find myself intrigued with Oklahoma. Throw Oklahoma into the Big Ten West and suddenly there's national relevance to potential conference championship.

As said in another post, I'd be interested to see what the addition of Oklahoma would possibly do to the SEC. IMO that could kill any chance of two SEC teams getting into a 4 team playoffs. I just don't see how adding another heavy hitter to that league helps. If a 2 loss Georgia didn't get in this year what's going to happen when you're seeing that on a regular basis.

Edit: I should add that adding Texas could give conference champions more national appeal, but just not much of a Texas guy.

 

[KCHawkeye]

I agree with your analysis, but I think Oklahoma is ripe for the plucking. If Oklahoma leaves the Big 12, someone else in that conference will follow. Heck, Kansas would be a terrific add on the basketball side.

And maybe be respectable on the football side, in time.

 

[karras]

Penn State, Ohio State and Michigan in a three way deathmatch. I think the B1G wants Illinois to get good again, too, because Illinois has a massive population and a shitload of fair weather fans.

I didn't know that. But I do know I responded to someone else in a different thread who stated he was tired of the same 2/3 teams in the playoffs every year. I personally agree with that thinking (even if I disagree with the veracity of the claim) so personally I am happy that if Iowa isn't in the CCG then someone other than Wisconsin is.
Put in simple terms, I hope people (generalizing about all fans) who complain about the same teams reaching the top aren't also arguing that it's bad when a NW gets to challenge an O$U. The fact I don't know who will be in the CCG game while watching games in October makes being a fan fun for me.

 

[deanvogs]

I agree with Deace, just go back to a 8 game conference schedule. If the SEC and ACC are going to schedule 4 non con wins, then WTF is OSU playing 11 P 5 teams in a 12 game schedule?

 

[PlatypusMessiah]

I think Delaney just doesn’t want Northwestern playing in the B1G Championship Game. He could sell the other six teams.

If they do move to an 8 team playoff with an automatic bid, I wouldn’t change divisions at all. In a year like this one, the B1G would get Michigan as an at large. Were Michigan to loose to Ohio St. in a Championship game, the B1G is down to 1 team.

 

[uihawk82]

I agree with Deace, just go back to a 8 game conference schedule. If the SEC and ACC are going to schedule 4 non con wins, then WTF is OSU playing 11 P 5 teams in a 12 game schedule?

If Deace said that, which is also part of the premise of this thread, then that is one way to look at it but I would hate to see the Big 10 go back to 8 games. Realistically I look at big 10 games as the only worthwhile games on Iowa's schedule. We play two weaker non-confs games and then that P5 game against ISU which doesnt do much for me anymore.

Big 10 conf games are special and getting rid of one of them would hurt the product. I dont see why OSU has to play 11 or 12 P5 teams a year but they are a blue blood and it gives them a lot of pub when they beat and OU or Texas etc when they play them.

The problem is the weaklings the SEC plays out of conf usually, usually and the one less conf regular season game.

 

[deanvogs]

If Deace said that, which is also part of the premise of this thread, then that is one way to look at it but I would hate to see the Big 10 go back to 8 games. Realistically I look at big 10 games as the only worthwhile games on Iowa's schedule. We play two weaker non-confs games and then that P5 game against ISU which doesnt do much for me anymore.

Big 10 conf games are special and getting rid of one of them would hurt the product. I dont see why OSU has to play 11 or 12 P5 teams a year but they are a blue blood and it gives them a lot of pub when they beat and OU or Texas etc when they play them.

The problem is the weaklings the SEC plays out of conf usually, usually and the one less conf regular season game.

I totally agree, I'd prefer they make all conference go to 9 conference games. Yet you can't control what the SEC or ACC does, and if they play 8, you can't hamstring yourself and play 9.

Sounds like there might be a big push to 8 team playoff anyway. 5 conference champs, and also even highest rated non P5 team as well. Since it sounds like the Pac12, B1G and Big12 are all on baord with this hopefully they push against the SEC and ACC and tell them you have to play 9 conference games to get a playoff spot. That would force their hands.

 

[deanvogs]