Sure, but this only goes to prove my point - the only thing that any Iowa fan has to be jealous of Nebraska for is stuff that happened a generation ago. I'm sure that success was awesome. But envy has a shelf life, and we're long past the expiration date on that for Nebraska.
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Sure, but this only goes to prove my point - the only thing that any Iowa fan has to be jealous of Nebraska for is stuff that happened a generation ago. I'm sure that success was awesome. But envy has a shelf life, and we're long past the expiration date on that for Nebraska.
hawkeyes87
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Actually Neb finished 20th-25th every year from 2010-2013...
74Hunter
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Hmm, really? Why don’t you enlighten us maybe. Editorials from Nebraska media don’t count. God forbid anyone slight Jesus Osborne. Tell us about how he was trying to help straighten Larry’s life out and that the perfect timing was pure coincidence.
Since the 2nd stringer was an All-American, future Pro-Bowler, and border line Hall of Famer, it's safe to say that he was not needed to win that game. Anyone with any modicum of intelligence and objectivity knows and acknowledges this.
Let's also not forget the fact Phillips was re-instated 3 games prior to the NC game.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...s-dead-prison-tom-osbourne-nebraska/78767044/
"“I felt the only thing I could put in a place that would keep him on track was football, because that was probably the only consistent organizing factor in his life,’’ Osborne said, adding that Phillips was required to get counseling as a condition of rejoining the team.
“When he was in the NFL, I told his agent he absolutely needed to stay in counseling,’’ Osborne added. “As I recall, the agent said that would happen. But I’m pretty sure it didn’t. That was a difficult thing."
So, Osborne was pretty much the only guy trying to help Phillips get his life straight.
I guess it's enjoyable for some people to judge this decision, seeing as how Phillip's life ultimately spun out of control and the many lives that were affected by him.
But anyhow, go ahead and keep dwelling in the past, the article was about the present and the future.
I just find dishonesty to be highly detestable.
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74Hunter
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Then why the hate and angst? Why all the constant references seasons 20+ years ago?
Something is fueling that.
I would disagree that Iowa has outclassed Nebraska for almost 20 years. The records between the 2 schools of that stretch are pretty similar.
Fryowa
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Osborne was asked in the press conference if he would be playing Phillips if he had beat up one of Osborne's family members and dragged her down the stairs by her hair. Your Jesus-man got up and walked out disgusted. How dare anyone ask the immortal son of God himself a question like that?
He didn't walk out because it was a horrible question, he walked out because it was a dead-on valid question and he knew he was caught with his pants down. Instead of admit his decision was indefensible Osborne tucked his tail and ran. He didn't make a statement by leaving, he showed everyone just how chicken shit he was by running away from the truth... that he was wrong at best, and being a shitty person at worst. I know you don't like me and you do your best to stymie my points, but if you think that reporter's question was out of line and didn't demonstrate a point (rhetorical or not), then nobody can fucking help you.
You want to know why people find Nebraska fans like that repulsive? It's because of justification crap like this. You worship your program and coaches above all else, and when a woman beating rapist does his thing you just let Uncle Tommy handle it and brush it under the rug. You give us a bunch of twisted up shit about how he was "trying to help." In what alternate dimension does that make sense? Can you not see it for what it was? He needed his prize pony to play and calling it "help" was the perfect way to try and justify it to everyone else. I also suspect you know that is wasn’t just Phillips that your fearless leader covered for. Not by a country mile.
Sorry if my post upsets you, but I just find woman beating rapist-enabling coaches "to be highly detestable."
Now I'm going to ask you...If this had happened to your daughter and a coach let him keep playing would you be ok if they told him he just needed to go to counseling? Apparently you don't think he should be in jail waiting on a court date? I don't expect a straight answer so don't feel like you need to give one. You'll give me more crap about how times were different back then, or anything else to make it ok.
Tell me all you want about Osborne saying he wishes he did more in hindsight. Plenty of people regret doing shitty things after they get caught or called on the carpet for them. But he's "Mr. Davis" so he gets a pass, right?
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Fryowa
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Because Nebraska fans constantly reference seasons 20+ years ago.
Because apparently Nebraska fans are convinced anybody would still be jealous of them. Listen, if I'm going to target my jealousy somewhere it's not Nebraska. It's places like Wisconsin, which is a place currently deserving of envy.
While the records might be similar between Iowa and Nebraska over the last generation, Iowa has 3 conference championships and has played in 3 BCS bowls winning one of them since the last time Nebraska has done either.
I had to look it up - I had forgotten that NU beat Tennessee in 2000 in a BCS bowl. Trust me, when I'm trying to decide who to be jealous of I generally don't need to google their most recent accomplishments which happened 18 years ago.
99topdawg
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I lived in outside of Lincoln during the '90's and everyone knew how dirty he was and how much he covered for his star players. Long read, but a lot of instances where Osborne not only turned a blind eye to situations, but protected his players to keep them playing:
In four recent cases involving criminal charges against his
players, Osborne has aggressively rushed to their defense:
Riley Washington, a junior wingback, continues to practice with
the Cornhuskers despite having been charged with attempted
second-degree murder and use of a weapon to commit a felony in
connection with the Aug. 2 shooting of 22-year-old Jermaine Cole
at a Lincoln convenience store. Cole told Lincoln police that he
and Nebraska undergraduate assistant football coach Abdul
Muhammad were fighting when Washington pulled his gun and fired,
saying, "Your life is gone." On Sept. 11, two days before
Washington pleaded not guilty to both counts, Osborne said, "I
think there is a very, very good chance that Riley didn't do
what he's accused of. I've talked to a lot of people.... I feel
pretty comfortable about Riley's case.
Lancaster County Attorney Gary Lacey told SI, "I didn't see Osborne at the preliminary hearing.
We had two witnesses say, 'Riley Washington shot Jermaine Cole.
I saw the gun. I saw him do it.'"
"I don't tell Tom Osborne how to run the football department,"
Lacey says, "and he should stay out of the criminal justice system. He hasn't done that at all."
Damon Benning, Phillips's backup, was sidelined last Saturday,
but only by a strained hamstring and not by the third-degree
assault citation against him for allegedly beating his
ex-girlfriend on the night of Sept. 9. Benning says he is not
guilty, and Osborne says he is convinced of Benning's innocence.
Tyrone Williams, a senior cornerback, was charged in March 1994
with two felonies--unlawful discharge of a firearm and use of a
weapon to commit a felony--in connection with a Jan. 30, 1994,
shooting. Police say that Williams fired two shots into a car
occupied by former New York Jet safety Kevin Porter, who was in
town visiting friends. Porter was not hit. After the shooting,
but before Williams was charged, then-Nebraska assistant Kevin
Steele was given Williams's .22 caliber revolver. Then Steele
and Osborne locked the gun in a cabinet.
"When the chief of police and I learned that a gun wanted in
connection with a felony shooting was in Osborne's possession
when it should have been immediately turned over to the police,
then you have evidence that is being withheld," Lacey says.
When his actions came to light, Osborne said, "Frankly, if
anybody had asked, we would have given it to them sooner. Last week Osborne conceded in an interview
with SI that prosecutors were probably looking for the gun at
the time he filed it away. "The weapon was missing when we asked
[Williams] to get it. If we hadn't made him give us the gun, the
police might never have gotten it."
Christian Peter, a senior defensive tackle, was sentenced to 18
months probation in May 1994 after he pleaded no contest to a
charge of third-degree sexual assault brought by a former Miss
Nebraska, Natalie Kuijvenhoven, who was then a Nebraska student.
According to Osborne, Kuijvenhoven's lawyer contacted him about
Peter, and Osborne says he suggested that all the
parties--including Peter--meet in his office at the athletic
department. But Kuijvenhoven would have none of it. "It's clear
Osborne was trying to intimidate me in order to get rid of me
before a trial would ever happen," Kuijvenhoven told SI. Osborne
says he has never pressured a witness.
Osborne says that Peter, a Cornhusker captain, has been "a model
guy" since completing a private program that no one at Nebraska
can discuss in any detail.
Senior wide receiver Reggie Baul was charged last Nov. 20 with
stealing a wallet from a woman in a Lincoln restaurant. Hal
Anderson, the lawyer who represented him, hired a retired
policeman to administer a lie detector test to Baul. According
to Osborne, Baul passed the test. Osborne then permitted him to
play in the Orange Bowl victory over Miami that clinched
Nebraska's national title. On March 6, Baul pleaded guilty to a
misdemeanor charge of possession of stolen property. He was
fined $100 and placed on six months probation. He remains a
member of the team.
According to police, sometime after 4 a.m. on Sept. 10, the
night the Huskers returned from a rout of Michigan State in East
Lansing, Phillips entered the third-floor apartment of Scott
Frost, a quarterback from Wood River, Neb., who had transferred
to Nebraska this fall from Stanford. When Phillips found McEwen
in the apartment, police say, he pushed her into the bathroom,
knocked her down and dragged her by the hair down a flight of
stairs.
At 11 a.m. last Thursday, McEwen walked into Lacey's office
after returning from her home in Topeka, Kans. That day Lacey
interviewed her for the first time, three days after Osborne had
spoken with her. Early in the week Osborne had said, "I wouldn't
call it a beating. But [Phillips] certainly did inflict some
damage to a young lady." This summer, the
World-Herald asserted, Osborne had warned Phillips, "If you ever
touch her again, you will be kicked off the team."
Fryowa
Administrator
Osborne was well known as being just as dirty as the Miami’s of the world but you can’t tell that to the cult members. They’d jump off a bridge if the good “Dr” told them it was the right thing to do.
Fryowa
Administrator
Nebraska fans like to speak highly of their “Mr. Davis,” does he seem like the type of guy you want talking with your daughter after she got beat up?
Is he such a great guy that it takes two beatings to get kicked off his team?
I’m not a huge Ferentz fan but I can promise you that Phillips would be on the next bus back to whatever filthy hole he crawled out of as soon as something like that happened.
Is he such a great guy that it takes two beatings to get kicked off his team?
I’m not a huge Ferentz fan but I can promise you that Phillips would be on the next bus back to whatever filthy hole he crawled out of as soon as something like that happened.
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hawkeyebob62
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Like the awful joke says, "What do you say to a woman with two black eyes? Nothing! You already done told her twice!" The joke was probably invented in Lincoln...
74Hunter
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Congrats. I didn't think that you could possibly post anymore non-truths, then I read your last 3 or 4 examples of keyboard diarrhea.
Little to nothing you have posted that is true.
Do you care to back up your allegations with any facts?
Fryowa
Administrator
Just saw this.
Why don't you tell me where the untruths are? I provided a ton of examples of your thug football team--back in the thread where you came to the defense of Larry Phillips after he (long overdue) decided to quit wasting oxygen, and @99topdawg just posted more in this thread if you want me to "back up [my] allegations."
If I'm such a liar why don't you prove to me how your St. Osborne didn't cover for all of his shitbird players?
Was it fake news? You going to take that route?
And you still didn't answer my question before that if Larry beat your wife or daughter and dragged her down a flight of stairs by her hair, would you let him keep playing on your team? Take the high road and at least answer it. Show some balls unlike your yellow-bellied coach.
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Guys like Osborne and Paterno are fortunate they were of the era they were... How long could they have lasted if say 3 yrs ago was their first yr on the job in this climate today? The blowing up of media and social media has just humanized all these guys. There's no putting them on a pedestal now. Not to that degree. It really shouldn't be remotely surprising for Osborne to have been a do whatever it takes to get and keep talent on the roster kind of coach. He was in BFE Nebraska. Even back then it couldn't have been easy to recruit studs to go there. There is no better example of that than Phillips. By that point in Osbornes career you'd think he could have recruited 5 RBs that would have been 5 star talent back then making Phillips expendable. But he was dead set on doing whatever it took to get/keep him around....
Fryowa
Administrator
That and Osborne was a complete megalomaniac who not only thought he knew what was best for rape/assault/theft victims (and the ones committing the crimes), but he also thought he actually had more authority than police and prosecutors.
It's really a moot point I guess, because much like Paterno fans, Osborne groupies like @74Hunter and the rest of husker "nation" are blinded by his cult of personality and will never see the guy for what he was.
It's all about morales.
From recruiting to being a good member of society. From dating to raising children.
If you think about it many many old books from philosophy to religion to even love stories were written about this subject. If you don't like those subjects pick up a history book and read between the lines a little or connect the dots.
You know why the saying winning isn't everything came about? Because if you have to step on another to win, if you have to cheat or lie to win. You didn't win anything. You damaged another to make yourself gain. How is that good for society? It's not.
You should be able to win on your own accord and not have to resort to such things. But that lesson is lost on most people and all you have to do is read the news and see the results. That's even how you get elected in this country, not because you are good or good at what you do, but because you know how to play the system, make back room deals, lie and cheat and sling mud at your opponents.
That's what sports are all about. Beating another not because you cheated or lied. Not because you did some underhanded thing to them or anyone else. But because you are better than they are. Through your own accord. When it's over, you shake hands and get on with it.
From recruiting to being a good member of society. From dating to raising children.
If you think about it many many old books from philosophy to religion to even love stories were written about this subject. If you don't like those subjects pick up a history book and read between the lines a little or connect the dots.
You know why the saying winning isn't everything came about? Because if you have to step on another to win, if you have to cheat or lie to win. You didn't win anything. You damaged another to make yourself gain. How is that good for society? It's not.
You should be able to win on your own accord and not have to resort to such things. But that lesson is lost on most people and all you have to do is read the news and see the results. That's even how you get elected in this country, not because you are good or good at what you do, but because you know how to play the system, make back room deals, lie and cheat and sling mud at your opponents.
That's what sports are all about. Beating another not because you cheated or lied. Not because you did some underhanded thing to them or anyone else. But because you are better than they are. Through your own accord. When it's over, you shake hands and get on with it.
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Fryowa
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You don't even have to have morals to know that should turn over a weapon used in an attempted murder to the police.
Or not tamper with victims by "talking" to them in private. I won't speculate on what Tommy said to them lest @74Hunter accuse me of hearsay. I'll let you draw your own conclusions on whether he tried to buy them off or threaten them.
You don't need morals to know that you shouldn't try to pressure or influence prosecutors.
All of those things are against the law and I presume a highly intelligent PhD like Tommy probably knew that. Whether he morally agreed with it or not he knew he shouldn't do any of that shit. But he did. Repeatedly.
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Lots of stuff is against the law. From presidents to street sweeper, from serial killers or rapist to saints and everyone in between, a law is only as good as the person either recognizing it, or not.
If you see someone drop $20 and you are broke, do you pick it up or return it? Do you have sex with a passed out girl or not? Do you club a baby seal? Do you be like Charles Manson?
It's all about the choices we make. Those choices are based out of our morales.
Temptation is always a test of them.
How far would you go to keep this guy on your team.
Haven't you answered that?
The question is, once you know someone is morally compromised, you will always wonder what they have done that you don't know about.
If your spouse cheats, you'll always wonder if it was just once or a thousand times. Was it just a kiss? Long ago or still going on?
If a president lies about business dealings, why wouldn't he lie about current presidential business?
If someone lies to get into college, what makes you think they won't cheat once there? Where there is smoke.....
It's all about morales.
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Do you know why they are pushing to basically make college athletics free agency?
It's due to kids being lied to and recruited in unethical and morally corrupt ways.
Because sorry but if they were recruited properly and want to break their commitment, then they should have to sit out a year.
But many times that's not the case. Easier to change the rules than to admit your a POS.
Left up to Charles Manson, murder would probably be legal.
Just saying.
It's due to kids being lied to and recruited in unethical and morally corrupt ways.
Because sorry but if they were recruited properly and want to break their commitment, then they should have to sit out a year.
But many times that's not the case. Easier to change the rules than to admit your a POS.
Left up to Charles Manson, murder would probably be legal.
Just saying.
