"Hush money"?? Really? From what, the covert operations fund?
Sally Mason defends not releasing Coker info
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"Hush money"?? Really? From what, the covert operations fund?
DuffMan
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this is a perfect example of why the "they should release info" idea is so stupid.
nothing is preventing Coker from clearing his name. if he wanted to talk he could. these laws are PROTECTING Coker not harming him.
hawkfan340
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I really have little desire to know anything about college students other than what some of them do on the athletic field and the occasional puff piece type information about volunteering and such.
However, I do try to keep a gauge on just how much power the powerful have at institutions that represent me and spend my tax dollars. I also care greatly if the powerful people in those institutions harm the less powerful because it protects their interests.
hawkfan340
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Disagree with the bolded.
Even if we assume he's completely innocent, it costs him more to talk than it would do him good. Coker's relative silence on the matter says nothing about the fairness of the university actions.
rjbaustian
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Look, i couldnt care less about this other than the fact that all you people think you know what the U did or did not do. You dont know, I dont know, Jon Miller doesnt know. The potential NFL player idea doesnt hold water because he should ne coming here for the free education and in payment for that, he plays football, right? The NFL SHOULD be an after thought, i understand its not, which is exactly what is wrong with college athletics today. Coker is the chance to issie a statement now and say this is what happened, I did or did not do this, this, and this. My entire life I have stood behind who I thought was wronged by someone, meaning my bosses. And almost every time, i learned after the fact that I did not know everything about this issue, and I ended up looking like a fool. What does this have to do with Coker? None of us know everything about this issue, so we should shut up and let the powers that be handle it. They Prolly have some "insider info".
DuffMan
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But we aren't debating the "fairness of the Universities actions". We are debating whether or not the U should be required to release info regarding the specifics of the investigation.
The University process for investigating potential student code violations are a matter of public record. Alleged violations are investigated by a panel of people selected by the University. The University takes their findings and makes a ruling. In Coker's case they ruled that enough evidence existed to punish him under the code with a one game suspension. End of story.
Don't you think for you to go to school to learn how to spell correctly. Are they not teaching this in H.S. anymore?
hawkfan340
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You seem to be trying to say a lot of different things at once, and I'm not really sure what it all means.
Anyway, I don't know if what the university did was right or wrong, and no one does because the university won't allow people to know how they handled things.
There's nothing wrong with desiring the university be transparent with it's process handling of the situation. Everyone is better off if public institutions are as transparent as possible with their dealings. It greatly reduces the risk that such entities will treat people unjustly.
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Yes thank you, i am glad you are around to proof read the message boards and let people know when they misspelled words. You are a very valuable asset to this forum. From now on i shall send you all my posts before hand, so that you can check my spelling. Thank you kind sir.
rjbaustian
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Wow, awesome point....Personally attacking his spelling. Cause THAT proves your point...****** bag...
340-sorry, running on 7 hours sleep in 48 hours so im not thinking clearly. What im trying to say is this. If Coker was your child, would you want that info released? Just answer that question for me please.
hawkfan340
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Honest questions:
Are the members of this panel public info? Are the people to whom they presented their findings public info? Is/are the person/persons who made the punishment decisions public info? And what determines their process for making this decision (i.e. is there a burden of proof required or is it at the discretion of the decision makers?)
hawkfan340
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Honestly, if he were my child, I would want the university process to be scrutinized as much as possible, so I'd want them to release information such as the following:
It came to the attention of the university that Marcus Coker may have violated the student CoC. Person X investigated the matter and presented his/her findings to Person Y. Based on the investigation findings, Person Y decided that a one game suspension was warranted for violating the CoC.
Then, at least the people responsible for process/decision are just as well known as Coker, and their reputations are on the line as well. It's not fool proof but at least this provides one more reason not to act rashly with a punishment decision.
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Again, why does a fan need to know this information? There is so much that goes on and gets taken care of in-house with out public record. Maybe Marcus does not want the information out to the public either. I know i wouldnt want it made public. This kind of stuff should not be put out for all to see, unless the individual gives the university/program that right.
But we have to know. Think of the children
hawkfan340
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I guess the thing is this, I worry more about potentially crooked systems than I do about one potentially crooked student. This was a pretty public situation, therefore the stakes are raised for the administration. The raised stakes seem to increase the potential for the administration act unjustly because a lot is on the line for them personally.
I'll also say this, private citizens deserve as much privacy as possible, but public institutions should be as transparent as possible. Transparency from a public entity is a good thing. It doesn't harm anyone and has the potential to actually reduce harm.
Finally, I also don't think it's a good thing to try to broadbrush those who desire public transparency as nosey nellies or other such thing.
rjbaustian
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If that's all u want to know. I see your point. As to specific details, I still disagree
Other
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Seriously?
The problem is that in situations like this, any additional transparency by the school (which may seem to be innocuous) could be construed as an invasion of the individual's privacy, particulary when plaintiff attorneys are involved.
Yes seriously. He's already stated that he think's he got punished for something he didn't do. So what's stopping him from further explaining that comment? What's stopping him from explaining the steps he took to clear his name which would include the appeals process?
Just to be clear, if I were his friend/attorney, I'd advise against making any public statements on the matter that may be used against him in a court of law. But if it's so cut and dried and Iowa railroaded an innocent man, then surely he wouldn't need to worry about a court case.
So in short, I take Coker's lack of further explanation to mean he would rather not explain further and would just like to move on. Thus I would infur that he'd want the University to keep his private matter private and therefore the University is bound by federal law to do so.
