Gander Hawk
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"Being mean" and discrimination are different things.
Rob Sand Wants Barta Out
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NorthKCHawk
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This. I get Fry's criticism in this regard, but what should have Barta done differently? Barta says, "hey Kirk, you can't hire your kid" or "if you hire your kid and I think he sucks, I can fire him and you will be okay with that."
KF then says, "F you. I will hire who I want and if you don't like it I will get you fired."
Who do you think wins that battle with the donor class and board?
Any Barta replacement will be vetted by KF. The notion that Barta or the new guy are going to tell KF who he can have on his staff is naive.
Too many people on this Board use Gary Barta as a scapegoat for everything. As it relates to football, KF is 100% responsible for the performance and dealings related thereto. If you don't like KF thumbing his nose at the fans by keeping BF employed, then be brave and call for KF's termination.
Fryowa
Administrator
Aside from the settlement to me this would be a means to an end of Gary Barta's tenure. I'm not going to kid myself that it'll happen, though.
Fryowa
Administrator
1) Locate sarcasm detector power switch.
2) Select sarcasm detector power switch "ON" setting.
3) Re-read post.
Really curious what the consensus perception of this will be, both within Hawknation and from the outside.
After coaches were dropped as defendants, people were popping off all over twitter with, "See, it was all bullshit from the start!" and "Doyle should sue these guys for ruining his reputation!"
What do those people say now? Do they argue the suit was BS, but Iowa settled to make it go away? Do they conclude that there was some fire to go along with this smoke? Whatever the response, I am sure it will be thoughtful, nuanced, and well-articulated.
From a national perspective, is this mentioned today, and then forgotten tomorrow, or will we hear about this in the fall when things start back up?
I guess we'll see.
After coaches were dropped as defendants, people were popping off all over twitter with, "See, it was all bullshit from the start!" and "Doyle should sue these guys for ruining his reputation!"
What do those people say now? Do they argue the suit was BS, but Iowa settled to make it go away? Do they conclude that there was some fire to go along with this smoke? Whatever the response, I am sure it will be thoughtful, nuanced, and well-articulated.
From a national perspective, is this mentioned today, and then forgotten tomorrow, or will we hear about this in the fall when things start back up?
I guess we'll see.
NorthKCHawk
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Yep. A lot of well-meaning people who are not at all racist can say and do things that are racially insensitive and create an environment that is not inclusive for minorities. That Texas Tech coach just got suspended for reading a bible passage about slavery. Greg McDermott got suspended for dumbly referencing being together on the plantation with his players. Times have changed and things that you could do and say 20 years ago may not fly in today's world.
I don't know the specifics of what was actually occurring on a day to day basis through the eyes of these black players at Iowa. What I do know is KF has acknowledged deficiencies, a council was formed to address changes, changes were in fact implemented, a lawsuit was filed, discovery was taken and a 7 figure settlement is apparently in the works. That suggests to me something a bit more than just "meanness."
NorthKCHawk
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I guess I did not detect the sarcasm either, but I will say I am confident there are a healthy number of fans and posters that would make this statement and not be sarcastic in doing so.
HawkGold
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I think in life you do the right thing and live with the consequences or a good part of the time it will come back and bite you. I imagine Barta is already set in life. KF should do the same but he doesn't. The U of I should stand up and do the right thing.... with full information (which we don't have) and live with the consequences.
HawkGold
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Hopefully the right thing will be done what ever that is. I have my opinion, which doesn't count. We don't have full disclosure but ducks that look like ducks are usually ducks. Usually.
My grandchildren other grandparents recently rescued a pit pull which has full run. Not wanting to discuss (pits and children interaction), the other gps are claiming it's a husky/black lab mix to satisfy the parents. It's obviously not. Ridiculously not.
Sooner or later, this might come back and "bite" the other grandparents. Better just to get rid of the critter if there is a risk.
Life can be more simple than it is.
SwirlinLingerie
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You are reaching on a lot of this. A lot of folks in leadership positions in private business are fired these days when they are so closely tied to lawsuits. Particularly lawsuits involving racial bias and/or sexual orientation.
And you can call it a bullshit lawsuit, but two different reports (one conducted by the organization itself) also concluded racial bias.
And some of the organization's best and brightest "employees" brought this very issue to leadership's desk a couple years before.
But I guess we all saw the brilliant business acumen at work the second the football money spigot turned off during covid. That's when his creativity, innovation and business savvy really came to the forefront.
I agree. Sand will make it so they have to do that and so the tax payers won't be on the hook for half of it. But as far as Barta losing his gig that isn't happening. Barta was just trying to see what he could get away with by trying to get half of it off his books. Got caught trying to slip one past the goalie
Fryowa
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It gets split up evenly to the 12 plaintiffs after legal fees. DMR said there were $30K+ other fees as well.
I think there's only like 7 or 8 dudes on it now. Their were more initially like close to 20 or so but some were taken off due to statue of limitations. I think after lawyer fees they broke it down to $184k per kid pre tax... Not exactly enough to retire on for 20 something yr olds.
I didn't even think about the statue of limitations. Sucks for those guys. I got something in the mail once saying I could maybe qualify for getting money because someone else sued someone. I wasn't even sure exactly what it was so didn't do anything about it. This seems like a situation where all the other players should get a letter in the mail saying they could get some money if they wanted.
Fryowa
Administrator
DMR said it was originally 13 and now it's 12.
This is a solid post, but I'm not sure Barta has "consistently grown UIowa's value far above market expectations". Court cases have factually documented he is a subpar administrator, and the UI's lawsuits haven't just been from disgruntled grunts -- they've been brought by other high-level administrators and employees responsible for much of the UI's revenue. Said lawsuits have also brought nationally negative attention to the UI brand, and likely negatively impacted Iowa's ability to recruit some top revenue producers -- i.e. football players. Under similar circumstances, it's fair to suggest any board of directors of a private company would be doing a good, hard review of the CEO. The other factor involved in such a situation is: in the national market is there a suitable potential replacement CEO in the wings? In this case, the answer is probably yes.
I'm not so sure that's how this would work.. I mean could Desmond King and Wirfs who put in good words for Doyle change their minds and do this now instead? I don't think so it's probably way too late or they'd have to file a new separate deal I would think. If they could even do that I don't know. This isn't a class action kind of deal at all. Either you had something specifically bad happen and you filed about it or you didn't I think is kinda my take on all this. But I could be wrong heck if I know.
