Nobody knew that Greene was going to be what he was. Even 4-5 games in people were doubting he'd keep peeling off 100 yrd games during the big 10 season. So you really can't compare the start to that season to this one. These 3 rbs are more then capable of being pretty good. And any one of them could be great with the Oline/offense running well. I think they all compliment each other and that the running game will be great overall if they can have any thing even close to resembling a play action passing game to keep them from stacking the box play in and play out
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Nobody knew that Greene was going to be what he was. Even 4-5 games in people were doubting he'd keep peeling off 100 yrd games during the big 10 season. So you really can't compare the start to that season to this one. These 3 rbs are more then capable of being pretty good. And any one of them could be great with the Oline/offense running well. I think they all compliment each other and that the running game will be great overall if they can have any thing even close to resembling a play action passing game to keep them from stacking the box play in and play out
DesMoinesHawki
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Just based on what the guys I have shown thus far, I would rate our running back position a B- ... We have definitely had better backfields ... I just don't know wha tthe he** to expect with his offense or what the he** a Davis offense is actually supposed to look like. Last year was an ugly Ken O'Keefe stepchild production so it really is hard to get excited about not knowing what to even expect. Talk is talk ... And I just don't think we have the talent this year ... This is a 4-8 or 5-7 team ... I was a huge fan of the Davis hire. After last season, I honestly was and still am, surprised that Kirk brought him back. I really am ... I think the ship is sinking ...
nationalchamps
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Last year, maybe. He disappeared after the Mich St game. This year, no way.
chadfrey
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Food for thought:
How does Iowa’s RB duo stack up vs. others? | TheGazette
I think Iowa has a nice one-two punch, but the effectiveness of both of those guys will hinge on two things: the oline (DUH) and what kind of play we get at QB.
do we have the best in the nation? nope. Best in the conference? Prolly not. Are the good enough to get Iowa back to a winning record — yes.
How does Iowa’s RB duo stack up vs. others? | TheGazette
I think Iowa has a nice one-two punch, but the effectiveness of both of those guys will hinge on two things: the oline (DUH) and what kind of play we get at QB.
do we have the best in the nation? nope. Best in the conference? Prolly not. Are the good enough to get Iowa back to a winning record — yes.
ArvadaHawk
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You pretty much got it, MHA.
Weisman, while a great story last seasn is NOT a BIG (or D1) Tailback. If he is, then the Entire BIG missed on him, including KF. He did go to the Academy as a fullback, afterall.
Bullock: Showed signs; then got injured. Remember, he probably wasn't going to see the field had Coker stayed.
Canzeri: I like him the most, but he is small and probably can't take the grind. I hope I am wrong.
The new kid (name escapes me) does seem to have a very close resemblence to SG. But no way I'm expecting that and wouldn't label him that way. Could be the answer, though.
Finally, last season we had a new OC who was going to bring in an up tempo offesnse and more passing. However, it failed miserably and the reasons bandied about were that we didn't have the players for his system. Now, this season, our 2nd year OC says he hopes to use play action to help set up the deep passing game. Ummmm, does anyone really know what kind of offense we'll have or the type of players we need?
Yeah his output went down last year cuz he got injured and the Off line took two big hits. Do you remember that this happened.
Weisman can have some very good to great games this year.
People are saying his footwork is better, the new rb coach said this, so maybe he is better.
I would love to see weisman wear down a defense and bullock and canzeri use their speed to make some big urns.
HawkeyeTech
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Your credibility quotient = 0. You say Canzeri is tiny, then bring up Freddie Russell as an example of a talented back. Do you have any idea how big Russell was?
WestCoastHawk
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wundergrape
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This doesn't wash. If we were a team with an effective pass game that kept defenses out of the box, I might hear you. But we had the worst major conference pass game in the country and STILL managed to have two guys rush for over 500 yards, including one who went for 813 in essentially six games. Against Big Ten defenses.
We didn't fake our way into a run game last year. We had a couple of talented backs.
Section136
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Nevermind the fact that Weisman got injured in the MSU game when he scored the TD to tie it up. He didnt even play the OT, Garmon did. Scherff and Donnal going down against PSU also hurt the running game a lot.
HawkeyeMHA
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Freddie was small but I see a big difference in his body type and canzeris. Freddie was a little big man for sure. But hey dude, chi lax, this is a site for talking sports and opinions, that's mine.
HawkeyeMHA
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Yea.... a 5.1 ypc isn't a sign of a good running back
Yeah, I know, you have a good point. Hard to argue what he actually did. I may be wrong...but I think as he gets more carries that will likely come down quite a bit
chadfrey
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This very well could be true — though taking a look at his stats last year might provide food for thought.
He had more than 20 carries in five games last year. (UNI, Central Mich., Minn., Mich. State and Nebby). In those games, he averaged 5.6 yards per carry (127 carries for 714 yards).
The two best teams in that group — MSU and NU, he posted 207 yards on 55 carries for a 3.76 average. Not great — but not horrible. Anyone approaching a 4 yard average can help a ball control offense.
The only other game he had more than 10 carries was Michigan, he averaged 3.9.
The kid can run the ball. He is a good college running back. He was hobbled last year, and he still posted solid numbers.
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tm3308
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Yea.... a 5.1 ypc isn't a sign of a good running back
We finished dead last in the Big 10 and 101st nationally in rushing offense. Weisman picked up 510 of his yards against UNI, Central Michigan, and Minnesota. All below-average, or worse, defenses.
He averaged less than 3.5 ypc in his other games at tailback. Bullock averaged 3.33 ypc in conference play. And Canzeri has got next to nothing on his resume to date.
Again, being our best options does not make these guys anything special.
tm3308
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Yea.... a 5.1 ypc isn't a sign of a good running back
At the college level, you need to be bringing 4.5 or better to even be in the discussion as a truly good back. Anything under 4 is pretty average, at best.
tm3308
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Big difference. Russell was small, yes. But he also produced surprisingly well. Canzeri has done nothing thus far; he's a tiny back who has done nothing to prove he can be a Russell-type player. He's a wait-and-see player.
imported_ankle23
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at what point did we lose two starting OL? PSU, right? those games you cite are prior to those guys getting injured. big deal for our offense. also, he gets injured at some point in the season - not his hand, either.
so if you start parcing stats, you have to factor in all the data.
tm3308
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We were getting mauled by PSU long before Scherff and Donnal went down. What's more likely: A converted fullback had resounding success against bad defenses before eventually coming back to reality, or a guy who's a stud just had everything he had no control over go against him when the he started playing better teams?
He's a slightly better version (read: faster) of Coker. And Coker is the second string tailback at Stony Brook now.
HawkeyeTech
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We were getting mauled by Penn State long before Scherff went down, huh? Scherff was injured 6 minutes into the game. Kinda hard to make a judgement on how the game was going that early don't you think?
tm3308
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Regardless, we weren't exactly having our way with them. Weisman is not that good of a tailback. He's the best we have. There's a mile of difference between the two.
Seriously the guys who play with his overall style that are truly good, are the guys like Greene or Ball. The big back that can't do anything but run a guy over isn't anything special.