Rightous indignation

CJHawkeye

CJHawkeye

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I thought Miller and Deace (moreso Deace) made a good point in the podcast and another forum member posted the phrase "that cannot be unseen". The point is I think Jon has tried to temper fans expectations to date with losses to Northwestern, Michigan State, and Penn State (in order of games we should not have lost arguably) with NW because.... NW and Penn State because, dude, 1 more inch of arm and we win. But Jon has repeatedly maintained that he believes this was never going to be a great season, it was going to be a rebuilding year and that expecting greatness was likely a setup for disappointment. He has attempted to politely remind listeners that they are welcome to feel however they like, and has acknowledged that maybe in the 19th year, some of those realities shouldn't be the case, but they are. It is what it is.

Any way, here we are now though. It wasn't so much that we laid double nickles on OSU, it was the play calling and the game plan that made that so enjoyable. It wasn't the typical oatmeal eating contest that we're used to. And we've seen it now. I'd come to think Kirk Ferentz wished the forward pass was still not in the rule book as it always seemed to be a last resort. In this game we saw what I would call a pretty typical pro style attack. I would assert that this was NOT hyper aggressive, no holds barred. Maybe it was hyper aggressive Kirk relatively, but objectively, was a very balanced run/pass attack.

If we go into our shell and play Wisconsin to a 9-10 or 10-17 loss, I agree with Deace that fans have a LEGITIMATE right to be angry after what we just witnessed.
 
CJHawkeye said:
I thought Miller and Deace (moreso Deace) made a good point in the podcast and another forum member posted the phrase "that cannot be unseen". The point is I think Jon has tried to temper fans expectations to date with losses to Northwestern, Michigan State, and Penn State (in order of games we should not have lost arguably) with NW because.... NW and Penn State because, dude, 1 more inch of arm and we win. But Jon has repeatedly maintained that he believes this was never going to be a great season, it was going to be a rebuilding year and that expecting greatness was likely a setup for disappointment. He has attempted to politely remind listeners that they are welcome to feel however they like, and has acknowledged that maybe in the 19th year, some of those realities shouldn't be the case, but they are. It is what it is.

Any way, here we are now though. It wasn't so much that we laid double nickles on OSU, it was the play calling and the game plan that made that so enjoyable. It wasn't the typical oatmeal eating contest that we're used to. And we've seen it now. I'd come to think Kirk Ferentz wished the forward pass was still not in the rule book as it always seemed to be a last resort. In this game we saw what I would call a pretty typical pro style attack. I would assert that this was NOT hyper aggressive, no holds barred. Maybe it was hyper aggressive Kirk relatively, but objectively, was a very balanced run/pass attack.

If we go into our shell and play Wisconsin to a 9-10 or 10-17 loss, I agree with Deace that fans have a LEGITIMATE right to be angry after what we just witnessed.
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They definitely reestablished a new bar. If they deviate from last night and fail to get to that bar going forward, I agree, questions will be asked.
 
I agree with Jon's instant reaction podcast that it does no good to look back and think "what if". That ship has sailed and those games can't be replayed.

However, I also agree with the sentiment here that we've now seen what a well-conceived, well-called, pro-style offense can do...especially one that utilizes the tight ends and one that isn't afraid to throw on first downs.

This game sort of reminds me of the NW game back in 2014. In that game, we utilized the middle of the field, threw consistently on 1st down, and just beat the holy hell out of NW. It was so good that people were legitimately asking if KF gave BF play calling duties that day....because it looked so unlike a GD offense. Then, we never saw that sort of playcalling again....which just doesn't make sense.

So hopefully, this game doesn't reenact the games post 2014 NW, but instead sets the bar for how games will be called moving forward. I understand execution has a lot to do with what we saw against OSU, but execution doesn't dictate the fact that BF used something like 12 different formations in the first 15 plays....it doesn't dictate throwing on first down....it doesn't dictate using the "field" side of the field during running plays. That's what I loved on Sat and hope to see more of....
 
Looking back was setting the table IMO. I acknowledged Jon's repeated insistence that we shouldn't have necessarily won all those games. Remember Miller and Deace both had us losing to ISU.

My point is going forward.

Also, as I said in another thread, they didn't come out running a whole different offense but the tendencies WERE different. That is what I'd like to see continue.
 
Had we lost to OSU but run the same gameplan, I would still be pretty happy. Not over the moon, ecstatically, orgasmically happy. But pretty happy.

The game was entertaining to watch and for once Iowa was trying to win the game instead of waiting for the opponent to make a mistake and lose it.

I pray to the sweet Lord above that Iowa has now seen the light and will repent of their past sins, and follow this new offensive path to the promised land!
 
Iowa kept passing on first downs against OSU, even the announcers was shocked by it, but the key is that Stanley was able to complete those passes and not air mail wide open receivers. Very rare that an Iowa team uses the passing game to open up the running game, it's usually the other way around. Hopefully Iowa sticks with this against Wisconsin, they have one of the stingiest run defenses that we've faced to date and if we go back to the run, run, pass offense it will be a long day.
 
I think this whole thing boils down to KF and BF thinking they were protecting Stanley from making mistakes and hurting his confidence as a young player. The only thing they were doing was protecting other teams from losing. If we start consistently forcing teams to stop our passing game, I think Iowa becomes a really really tough team to stop. Stanley just proved he's the man...and can handle the big game atmosphere. He was 20-31, but I counted at least 3 throw aways...and maybe 4. Smith also had what I would consider a drop. The point...his numbers were even better than what the casual observer may realize. Good decisions all day...and when he missed...he missed where only his guy could catch it.

On this day, he looked like a much better pro prospect at QB than his counterpart. He's got the better arm...and his upside is enormous.
 
I absolutely thought this was valid by Jon & Deace. The cat is out of the bag now. Huge success from using the entire tool kit, not just 1 yard and a cloud of dust. Everyone in the nation saw a bunch of freshman and sophomores chuck the ball all directions, to “scratch where it itches” (Thanks Hayden) and gameplan to the other teams weaknesses. Use the tight ends, toss to the middle of the field, use the edges, basically be unpredictable. There is no going back now, I hope. Saturday was badass. And you can’t hide it. Everyone saw it.
 
ssckelley said:
Iowa kept passing on first downs against OSU, even the announcers was shocked by it, but the key is that Stanley was able to complete those passes and not air mail wide open receivers. Very rare that an Iowa team uses the passing game to open up the running game, it's usually the other way around. Hopefully Iowa sticks with this against Wisconsin, they have one of the stingiest run defenses that we've faced to date and if we go back to the run, run, pass offense it will be a long day.
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I think BF finally showed us what he brings from New England. Hockenson and Fant aren't Aaron Hernandez and Gronkowski (insert murder joke here), but they showed just how dangerous game-changing Tight Ends can be in an offense. Their size is too much for a safety to handle, and their speed is too much for a linebacker to handle. So pick your poison.

Said this in another thread, but that 1st and 20 pass to TJ for 22 yards deep inside Iowa territory was a game changer for me. I fully expected a couple runs, maybe a draw, and a punt. Instead BF said F it and threw a TE flag/slant route for 22 yards on first down.
 
SpiderRico said:
I agree with Jon's instant reaction podcast that it does no good to look back and think "what if". That ship has sailed and those games can't be replayed.

However, I also agree with the sentiment here that we've now seen what a well-conceived, well-called, pro-style offense can do...especially one that utilizes the tight ends and one that isn't afraid to throw on first downs.

This game sort of reminds me of the NW game back in 2014. In that game, we utilized the middle of the field, threw consistently on 1st down, and just beat the holy hell out of NW. It was so good that people were legitimately asking if KF gave BF play calling duties that day....because it looked so unlike a GD offense. Then, we never saw that sort of playcalling again....which just doesn't make sense.

So hopefully, this game doesn't reenact the games post 2014 NW, but instead sets the bar for how games will be called moving forward. I understand execution has a lot to do with what we saw against OSU, but execution doesn't dictate the fact that BF used something like 12 different formations in the first 15 plays....it doesn't dictate throwing on first down....it doesn't dictate using the "field" side of the field during running plays. That's what I loved on Sat and hope to see more of....
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Whats crazy is if Iowa beats Wisconsin this weekend, the season goes from "what went wrong" to "what if".
 
WinOneThisCentury said:
I think this whole thing boils down to KF and BF thinking they were protecting Stanley from making mistakes and hurting his confidence as a young player. The only thing they were doing was protecting other teams from losing. If we start consistently forcing teams to stop our passing game, I think Iowa becomes a really really tough team to stop. Stanley just proved he's the man...and can handle the big game atmosphere. He was 20-31, but I counted at least 3 throw aways...and maybe 4. Smith also had what I would consider a drop. The point...his numbers were even better than what the casual observer may realize. Good decisions all day...and when he missed...he missed where only his guy could catch it.

On this day, he looked like a much better pro prospect at QB than his counterpart. He's got the better arm...and his upside is enormous.
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This^^^
 
CJHawkeye said:
I thought Miller and Deace (moreso Deace) made a good point in the podcast and another forum member posted the phrase "that cannot be unseen". The point is I think Jon has tried to temper fans expectations to date with losses to Northwestern, Michigan State, and Penn State (in order of games we should not have lost arguably) with NW because.... NW and Penn State because, dude, 1 more inch of arm and we win. But Jon has repeatedly maintained that he believes this was never going to be a great season, it was going to be a rebuilding year and that expecting greatness was likely a setup for disappointment. He has attempted to politely remind listeners that they are welcome to feel however they like, and has acknowledged that maybe in the 19th year, some of those realities shouldn't be the case, but they are. It is what it is.

Any way, here we are now though. It wasn't so much that we laid double nickles on OSU, it was the play calling and the game plan that made that so enjoyable. It wasn't the typical oatmeal eating contest that we're used to. And we've seen it now. I'd come to think Kirk Ferentz wished the forward pass was still not in the rule book as it always seemed to be a last resort. In this game we saw what I would call a pretty typical pro style attack. I would assert that this was NOT hyper aggressive, no holds barred. Maybe it was hyper aggressive Kirk relatively, but objectively, was a very balanced run/pass attack.

If we go into our shell and play Wisconsin to a 9-10 or 10-17 loss, I agree with Deace that fans have a LEGITIMATE right to be angry after what we just witnessed.
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dilly dilly

and I like the oatmeal reference.
 
mopkins said:
I think BF finally showed us what he brings from New England. Hockenson and Fant aren't Aaron Hernandez and Gronkowski (insert murder joke here), but they showed just how dangerous game-changing Tight Ends can be in an offense. Their size is too much for a safety to handle, and their speed is too much for a linebacker to handle. So pick your poison.

Said this in another thread, but that 1st and 20 pass te a draw, and a punt. Instead BF said F it and threw a TE flag/slant route for 22 yards on first down.
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Correct. I read your earlier post and you are so right. And it was a relatively safe throw in wide open space in the mddle of the field with only one defender close by. And it was a strike, a laser beam throw.

Actually now I think Nate needs to work on his short soft throws as some of them take a nosedive like the one fant had to catch low and behind him. Not complaining, just saying.
 
CJHawkeye said:
I thought Miller and Deace (moreso Deace) made a good point in the podcast and another forum member posted the phrase "that cannot be unseen". The point is I think Jon has tried to temper fans expectations to date with losses to Northwestern, Michigan State, and Penn State (in order of games we should not have lost arguably) with NW because.... NW and Penn State because, dude, 1 more inch of arm and we win. But Jon has repeatedly maintained that he believes this was never going to be a great season, it was going to be a rebuilding year and that expecting greatness was likely a setup for disappointment. He has attempted to politely remind listeners that they are welcome to feel however they like, and has acknowledged that maybe in the 19th year, some of those realities shouldn't be the case, but they are. It is what it is.

Any way, here we are now though. It wasn't so much that we laid double nickles on OSU, it was the play calling and the game plan that made that so enjoyable. It wasn't the typical oatmeal eating contest that we're used to. And we've seen it now. I'd come to think Kirk Ferentz wished the forward pass was still not in the rule book as it always seemed to be a last resort. In this game we saw what I would call a pretty typical pro style attack. I would assert that this was NOT hyper aggressive, no holds barred. Maybe it was hyper aggressive Kirk relatively, but objectively, was a very balanced run/pass attack.

If we go into our shell and play Wisconsin to a 9-10 or 10-17 loss, I agree with Deace that fans have a LEGITIMATE right to be angry after what we just witnessed.
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Amazing when blockers block, receivers receive, no turnovers. Execution and the little things. Some wise old coach says that and gets hammered for it.
 
mopkins said:
I think BF finally showed us what he brings from New England. Hockenson and Fant aren't Aaron Hernandez and Gronkowski (insert murder joke here), but they showed just how dangerous game-changing Tight Ends can be in an offense. Their size is too much for a safety to handle, and their speed is too much for a linebacker to handle. So pick your poison.

Said this in another thread, but that 1st and 20 pass to TJ for 22 yards deep inside Iowa territory was a game changer for me. I fully expected a couple runs, maybe a draw, and a punt. Instead BF said F it and threw a TE flag/slant route for 22 yards on first down.
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My mouth dropped from amazement when that play happened. In the past any X down and 20 was a death sentence for our offense and they converted it like it was nothing.
 
Amazing when blockers block, receivers receive, no turnovers. Execution and the little things. Some wise old coach says that and gets hammered for it.
 
Maybe Kirk has had a change of heart - -watching his son call a game and watching the amazing result. Because after all - it could have been much different

The son suddenly breaks with his father's instructions and creates art.

 
westender said:
Amazing when blockers block, receivers receive, no turnovers. Execution and the little things. Some wise old coach says that and gets hammered for it.
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Even if this was true, responsibility lies with coaches. Coaching isn't just calling plays. ;)
 
westender said:
Amazing when blockers block, receivers receive, no turnovers. Execution and the little things. Some wise old coach says that and gets hammered for it.
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When those things don't happen you have to adjust, and because of his stubbornness he usually fails at that. And even when he does adjust and succeeds as a result, he doesn't learn from his own success.
 
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