"Recruiting Stars Don't Matter?"

[IowaLawWasRight]

I'm watching the US Army All-American game. Apparently there are 34 kids who played in this single game who are playing in the national championship game on Monday. That's 17 all americans on each roster. If we want to play with the best, we're going to need to recruit with the best and it appears as though the rich keep getting richer.

Four years of WR recruiting without a highly touted kid will get you exactly what Iowa has on the field. A QB with no one to throw to but the TEs.

 

[koralakers]

Fat Cats don't recruit, pal. Too much work involved.

 

[homes]

I think it's more than 4 years.

 

[homes]

Fat Cats don't recruit, pal. Too much work involved.

That's a reasoned response.

 

[HawkeyeHypnosis]

I recall Iowa getting a bunch of commits from the US Army game a while back and that was one of the worst outcomes from a recruiting class.

 

[NEIChawk]

I recall Iowa getting a bunch of commits from the US Army game a while back and that was one of the worst outcomes from a recruiting class.

2005

 

[HawkleberryFinn]

I recall Iowa getting a bunch of commits from the US Army game a while back and that was one of the worst outcomes from a recruiting class.

The ones who remained ended their careers at Iowa with an Orange Bowl victory.

 

[BVHawk95]

Yes, we can just wish ourselves to recruit like Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, and others. It really is that simple.

 

[Caddy]

Purdue just landed a wr that runs a 4.3 40, and chose them over Alabama, FSU, and tOSU.

 

[thefizz]

When it comes to National Championships, stars absolutely do matter. I can't remember what the stat was exactly, but every National Champion since 1998 with the exception of Oklahoma in 2000 finished in the top 20 (and I think I'm being conservative here) in recruiting each of the previous 4 years. So lets list the champions.
Tennessee, Florida State, Oklahoma, Miami, Ohio State, LSU, USC (Auburn also undefeated), Texas, Florida, LSU, Florida, Alabama, Auburn, Alabama, Alabama, Florida State, Ohio State, Alabama, Clemson, Alabama or Georgia

Pretty much everyone on this list is either considered a blue blood or is located in or very close very fertile recruiting grounds. If you look at the runner up group on this list, the only name that doesn't really belong is Oregon. So yes, stars matter and to get stars, history and location seem to be really important.

 

[peerok]

And those schools have a dozen of those guys with more on the way every year.

 

[HomerChampless]

A school may need high-star, athletic, high school talent to consistently be a player for national championships but KF doesn't work with high-starred talent. Iowa may be able to recruit high-starred talent but it soon withers on the vine.

Why did Iowa spend so much money for facilities and whatnot if they won't be able to garner then use high-caliber talent?

 

[okeefe4prez]

I recall Iowa getting a bunch of commits from the US Army game a while back and that was one of the worst outcomes from a recruiting class.

I remember watching that All-American game with HappyChef. The guys going to Iowa looked like crap for the most part. It did not leave us with a lot of promise, but the rankings were the rankings and once they got Doyle-ized, they would be fine, we told ourselves.

 

[NCHawker]

I'm watching the US Army All-American game. Apparently there are 34 kids who played in this single game who are playing in the national championship game on Monday. That's 17 all americans on each roster. If we want to play with the best, we're going to need to recruit with the best and it appears as though the rich keep getting richer.

Four years of WR recruiting without a highly touted kid will get you exactly what Iowa has on the field. A QB with no one to throw to but the TEs.

Great topic hasn't been discussed much on this forum. Have at it fellas

 

[NCHawker]

Stars don't #$^$!@ matter



I didn't even know he was in the league

 

[NCHawker]

I recall Iowa getting a bunch of commits from the US Army game a while back and that was one of the worst outcomes from a recruiting class.

Correct. Therefore may we never look that way again. Ef em all

 

[dualradius]

KF class coach. Represents university well. Good developer of talent.

System negates talent, which works in favor when underdog, but Iowa loses games they shouldn’t vs weaker competition.

Biggest fail over entire career is recruiting speed. Never has, never will. Iowa always limited in terms of potential as a result.

A few very good years, but needs perfect execution to get there because talent doesn’t allow for down games.

He blames that on being at Iowa. That’s hogwash.

 

[dualradius]

Quote from article ranking KF 29th best head coach:

“ Simply put, he's an absolute master at taking the proverbial diamonds-in-the-rough and turning them into legitimate Big Ten talents. ”

And that’s his entire career in a nutshell. He has to work to turn kids into legitimate big 10 talents. Admirable, however not a very good sign of recruiting properly in the first place.

 

[Fryowa]

I didn't even know he was in the league

http://www.espn.com/nfl/college/_/letter/i

 

[kameltoez102]

It is my opinion and I could be wrong but I think one thing that isn't always on Kirk's side is he is honest with the kids and he doesn't blow any smoke up their skirt. Iowa has rules with recruiting and expects a certain level of commitment. I don't think Kirk or the coaching staff kiss these kids butt's or make any promises. I think they lay it out there that if you work hard and do the right things you will play. I do not think that is always the case with coaches around the country.

Also, if you look at the current state of High School football around the country not many schools run a traditional pro-style offense. It is a big learning curve for kids to come in and learn something completely new and many don't want to. I would not say Iowa's offensive system is something many kids can come in early and understand what is going on at a high level.

I think the perception that Iowa doesn't try to get high star kids is just plain false. There are many reasons why and it just isn't success or years that are lacking wins. Would a high profile coach be able to come in and recruit consistently top 10 classes at Iowa? While I think it is possible that could happen there are a lot of things that would need to fall in place for that to occur.