Recruiting Remains an Uphill Battle for Iowa

Re: So, in the last 10 years...

Iowa has won 85 games, won 2 conference titles, and been in contention in another couple of years. So by that measure how if KF not performing?

I never said he wasn't. Just that he isn't exceeding my expectations. He is probably meeting them in aggregate.
 
I know what some of you are thinking.

"Oh boy, here goes Miller with another 'woe is Iowa recruiting piece'."

Well, it's not 'woe is Iowa', as the Iowa football program has been doing just fine, thank you very much. I guess it depends on how you look at this sort of thing. If anything, I believe the data below will support just how well the Iowa football program has been performing amidst the most difficult challenge they face; recruiting geography.

I don't need to dwell on the following too long, as the results are there for all to see; the Iowa coaching staff is among the best in college football at identifying and developing talent that other BCS conference teams don't offer and/or don't have to offer, given the strengths of their recruiting geographies.

Recruiting Geography is going to be the theme of these post, so let me post a graphic now that we'll refer back to throughout the rest of the item. I have a lot of friends who are in the scouting business. One of them compiled a spreadsheet based upon Class of 2011 signees and broke the data down by state. He obtained the data from the National Federation of State High School Associations.

The large 'players' column is the number of high school football players in that state and the ratio is the number of players who signed with an FBS program from that state compared to the number of kids playing high school football in that state.

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Since 2001, Iowa has the 17th best winning percentage in the sport. If you take away Boise State, TCU and Utah, teams who did not play BCS conference schedules during those years, Iowa jumps up to 14th. That's a really good number, considering the other teams in the mix and the recruiting advantages they enjoy over Iowa.

Oklahoma, Texas, USC, LSU, Ohio State, Virginia Tech, Georgia, Florida and Auburn are all higher than Iowa on the winning percentage list. As you can see from the graphic, the states of Texas, Florida, California, Georgia, Ohio, Louisiana and Alabama are 1-7 on the list as far as gross number of FBS signees in concerned. The only outlier on the school list above is Oklahoma, but that state still produced 44 signees and had a 272 to 1 ratio, the sixth best ratio of any state in the nation.

Iowa? This data showed nine FBS signees and Iowa's ratio of 2161 to 1 was 42nd out of 50 states.

In Iowa's case, both the raw number and the ratio are poor, far too low to be a consistent feeder for an FBS program, much less a state that has two such programs.

Florida has the highest ratio of 111 to 1. There were 38,268 high school players and 1 of every 111 of them signed with an FBS school, an amazing number. Louisiana was second on the ratio ranking, followed by Georgia and Alabama. Utah was next at 270 to 1 and with 30 players...those are not amazing raw numbers, but that is a solid base with which to draw from for Utah and BYU.

Recruiting is the most important aspect for all of the big boys. It's important for Iowa, but they have to work harder and smarter to compete with the blue bloods of the sport who have a much, much easier job of maintaining a successful programs due to the non-stop supply of talent in their back yards.

I have felt this way for years, though some fans don't want to hear 'excuses'. It's not an excuse when it's reality; it's not easy to win at Iowa and it's even harder to win consistently at Iowa. The same can be said of Wisconsin, Kansas State and several other programs. These numbers above puts what Nebraska has done in their history in an even better light.

It's not hard (or should not be) to win at USC, Alabama, LSU, Georgia, Auburn, Texas, Texas A&M, Penn State, Michigan, Miami, Florida State and Tennessee...that's where the players are from and each of those programs are among the Top 23 winningest programs in the history of the sport.

Here are some additional observations I drew from looking at the data:

-How can Florida State and Miami have hiccups? SOOO much talent, especially for FSU. Miami is a bit more regional and Dade County can be more uncertain. Florida has been and remains one of three best coaching jobs in the sport.

-While the state of Florida has the most talent density, the state of Ohio produced 144 FBS prospects and Ohio State is the primary player in that state. There is no Florida State to recruiting against and while there is a Miami to recruit against, it's the Redhawks and not the Hurricanes. In my opinion, Ohio State is certainly one of the four best jobs in the sport, behind Texas, USC and Florida. Urban Meyer is making the Ohio State job even more national in its recruiting scope than it has been. That will be of benefit to Michigan and a few other Midwestern programs who can come in and get some of the cream Ohio talent.

-Ohio with 144 is far and away the Midwest's leader in talent production, with Illinois a distant second with 73. Ohio has a ratio of 382 to 1 while Illinois is at 679 to 1. More kids play football in Ohio and there are more, better players in Ohio. Pennsylvania comes next in gross Midwestern talent with 60 (and a 446 to 1 ratio) with Michigan right behind Pennsylvania at 59 (740 to 1). Given the state population, Michigan does not produce as many FBS players as you would expect, looking at their ratio. Kentucky, Kansas, Colorado, Nevada and Arkansas have higher talent ratios.

-Iowa, Wisconsin, Nebraska and West Virginia are the clear outliers in this list as it relates to talent ratio and overall gross FBS talent. Iowa produces fewer than 10 FBS players per year and West Virginia produced three. Wisconsin had 22 players and that is a decent local base for them to augment their regional efforts, while Nebraska typically gets the instate kids they target as well as pulling in national and regional prospects.

-Minnesota's ratio is one slot lower than Iowa's, which is surprising. They had 6,000 more kids playing football with just two more FBS signees.

What are some of the things you see from this data?

Iowa has more football players than South Carolina, Louisiana, Oklahoma and Arkansas and are pretty close to Alabama and Tennesee, and yet don't produce near the same amount of talent. Why?
 
Good thread. Lots of intelligent posts and no one is being an a--. Just frank disagreement, supported by thoughtful response.
Refreshing. Truly.
 
Iowa has more football players than South Carolina, Louisiana, Oklahoma and Arkansas and are pretty close to Alabama and Tennesee, and yet don't produce near the same amount of talent. Why?

Without sounding all Jimmy "the Greek", let's just say that those states have more "athletes" than Iowa does.....
 
No but given the investment in the program and the campus situation, I think that it is reasonable to expect Iowa to win 8 games every year, contend for the conference championship every few years and win it every few years beyond that.

I agree with the bar being set at 8 being reasonable.
 
I don't disagree with any of the discussion about Iowa's built-in recruiting disadvantages because of it being a low population state. It's obvious that Iowa doesn't have an in-state hotbed of talent to recruit from, but has to, and DOES recruit nationally. I don't expect to be Ohio State, Alabama, etc. where we go 11-1 every year.

But what burns me is that when we have a string of 6-6 or 7-5 type seasons, and people start complaining about it, there is the other crowd that chimes in and says "What do you expect? We are IOWA." I think that's nonsense - Iowa has proven multiple times in the past 30 years that it can be a better program than that. Just look at the 1980's and a good portion of the 2000's.

And as others have said, just take care of business against teams like ISU, Minny and NW and we are suddenly a 9-3 program instead of 7-5. I would be plenty happy to be 9-3.

I get what you are saying and trust me I have shouting matches with my tv during recent MN, NW, and ISU games. ...and....I will have to admit I have had frustration with about 4-5 in game coaching call(or lack of)....BUT.....this is the same as when I say "if only I wouldn't have double bogey'd those 3 holes...I would have shot a 78 instead of a 84"....

As an aggregate, KF has done more with less than almost everyone in BCS conferences.....even with a few in game gaffes....
 
Iowa has more football players than South Carolina, Louisiana, Oklahoma and Arkansas and are pretty close to Alabama and Tennesee, and yet don't produce near the same amount of talent. Why?

Alabama's top 20 recruits in their state are 80+ with the top 3 being the #1 at their position in the entire country.

Iowa's top recruit sits at an 80 overall and the drop off after that is steep.

That is why.
 
Alabama's top 20 recruits in their state are 80+ with the top 3 being the #1 at their position in the entire country.

Iowa's top recruit sits at an 80 overall and the drop off after that is steep.

That is why.

You didn't answer the question sherlock. You basically rephrased my question. Why does Alabama have 20 recruits at 80+ and Iowa only 1 with basically the same amount of football players in each state? See SpiderRico's response for your answer btw. :rolleyes:
 
When you consider that Wisky and Neb do not have another BCS school in their state like Iowa does, it is even more of a daunting recruiting mountain for Iowa...clearly the worst Big Ten school in terms of geographical recruiting hurdles.

I always try to factor this recruiting disadvantage in when assessing our coaches performance,and when I am thinking rationally, I end up just grateful for the skills of KF and his staff in making Iowa football as competitive as it has been over the last decade. They have had a remarkable decade....which is why anyone suggesting that KF should be on a ''warm seat'',as some publication indicated, displays complete ignorance of the reality of the Iowa football program and its challenges.

Those detractors of KF be warned...watch out want you ask for...you may just get it....and you will not like it.

I am a detractor of Iowa football under KF. A few more mediocre seasons in this current downward trend will place Iowa football squarely in the mediocre category for a 10 year span.

Since this thread is about recruiting:
KF's staff seems unable to effectively recruit offensive skill positions like WR, and QB, so Iowa's offenses are somewhat conservative and 'stodgy'.
KF's staff seems unable to effectively recruit defensive backs so Iowa's pass defense is zone.

Since KF's football philosophy is conservative - his playcalling is conservative - Iowa's offense is 'stodgy' and Iowa's pass defense is zone.

Many Iowa fans, like JHHawk, as well as most boosters of Iowa are satisfied with remarkably irregular successful seasons under KF, so KF will never sit on a hot seat.

EDIT: I say: **** mediocrity.
 
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