Recruiting Crisis in BIG West!

I really don't mean to be argumentative, but I have to take issue with a couple of comments. I would suggest that using Notre Dame or Nebraska as examples when it comes to recruiting would not be a very good argument. First, they have had, for decades, a "brand name" in the college football world and have had a recruiting footprint nation wide. Iowa is not in this category. Secondly, how have they been doing lately? I don't think it would be unreasonable to suggest that both of these programs are shadows of their former selves, at least for now. Could it be that distance has become more of an issue for them in recruiting?

It is true that Wisconsin and Minnesota have more population to draw from. However, the biggest two cities in Wisconsin (where I reside) are Madison and Milwaukee, and there certainly have not been very many high level players come out of either place. In fact, that has been a source of frustration in Wisconsin for some time.

The distance issue, some on this thread argue, only amounts to 60-100 miles. Last time I looked at a map, Texas, Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, are all somewhat further away. And, those are the states where the majority of the 4 and 5 star athletes seem to come from. So, would it not make sense that driving from Orlando to Gainsville would be a little easier than Orlando to Iowa City? Also, why do you think Iowa is making a much bigger deal out of "Junior Day?" Why is Iowa reaching out to Indianapolis and St. Louis to establish camps? Junior Day may get some additional recruits into Iowa City and the satellite camps reach into areas that could become sources for good players.

I guess I just think that, on its face, recruitment would be more difficult when you are after a kid from a long ways away. Time, money, family, homesickness, fear of the unknown, all work against you. Remember, these kids are only 17 or 18 years old and live with Mom and Dad.

All of this I agree with. But I believe every program has these problems when relying on recruits outside of their home states. Take Tennessee for example. 9 of their 30 commits are from Tennessee and only 1 of them (9) is a top 100 recruit. Yet they are ranked #6 in this recruiting class. The rest of their players are from Tex, GA, SC, VA and FL. So why can't KF get top talent from IL, MO, MINN, WI or KS? I think it's poor recruiting. Plain and simple. That's based on many factors but most of it is attributed to KF and the staff, the schemes and the choice of playing time, etc.
 
Kansas State is another example. No way is Manhattan Kansas a more attractive alternative than Iowa City. However, I have renewed hope for the future upon reading the article in the Gazette about their new recruiting coordinator, Wallace. He seems like he's got the right attitude and drive to turn this around. Face it, you need to work twice as hard on selling kids on Iowa, but it can be done with the right message. I think Eric Johnson should have been running a Culver's a long time ago.
 
While I think that Dinardo has a legit point with the unofficial visits making it harder on schools like Iowa, let's be honest. Iowa has a LOT bigger problems than that. Not allowing players on the social networks probably plays a bigger tole in our losing recruits than the distance for visits. Our schemes and the way that we use players have to be much bigger concerns.

Coaches are paid to recruit players. They need to sell the program. They aren't doing it. If this was a discussion on why we keep losing the 5-star players to Ohio State, sure, distance might be relevant. For a program that can barely compete with Iowa State or Ball State, we have a lot of other fish to fry before worrying about unofficial visits.
 
Wisconsin and Nebraska recruit just fine. Mizzu is only about 120 miles closer to the Lou than Iowa City. Chicago is a whopping 3 hours from Iowa City. I don't buy the distance argument at all.

You should, because proximity to D-1 recruits is the single biggest predictor of recruiting success. Scout, Rivals, and others have run the numbers several times over the years, and it's definitive.

Doesn't mean Iowa or Nebraska or KSU can't have recruiting success. Does mean they have to work much harder for the same result. The trend towards unofficials will amplify this. People on this thread have a bad case of "black and white" disease. Exceptions don't prove the rule.

DiNardo overstates his case with the word "crisis", but his overall point is spot-on.
 
Kansas State is another example. No way is Manhattan Kansas a more attractive alternative than Iowa City. However, I have renewed hope for the future upon reading the article in the Gazette about their new recruiting coordinator, Wallace. He seems like he's got the right attitude and drive to turn this around. Face it, you need to work twice as hard on selling kids on Iowa, but it can be done with the right message. I think Eric Johnson should have been running a Culver's a long time ago.

Kansas State has never finished in the top ten. Ferentz has done it four times.
 
Kansas State has never finished in the top ten. Ferentz has done it four times.

If Wiki is correct.

They actually finished in the top 10 five years in a row from 1997 - 2002.

They have gone to just as many BCS games as Iowa.

They are consistently ranked in the top 25.

It's been over half a decade since Iowa was last ranked. It's been over half a decade since Iowa was last in a BCS bowl game.

Kansas State may not be a big player in the college playoff or national title games, but they are consistently good and beat the teams they are supposed to beat.
 
People can't have rationale, focused conversation. Saying that other midwest schools recruit better than us doesn't minimize Dinardo's obvious point. As the recruiting schedule gets moved up further and further, it will be harder and harder for non-elite schools to recruit outside their geographic footprint because they will have no way to get kids from other footprints to get to their campus prior to many kids committing due to the accelerated time-frame.

That is unquestionably true and unquestionably bad for schools like Iowa that sit in one of the worst geographic recruiting footprints for a Power 5 conference. There is not noting to argue about. It is also unquestionably good for schools that sit in high talent footprints.
 
If Wiki is correct.

They actually finished in the top 10 five years in a row from 1997 - 2002.

They have gone to just as many BCS games as Iowa.

They are consistently ranked in the top 25.

It's been over half a decade since Iowa was last ranked. It's been over half a decade since Iowa was last in a BCS bowl game.

Kansas State may not be a big player in the college playoff or national title games, but they are consistently good and beat the teams they are supposed to beat.
I'm guessing their record versus ISU in this time frame beats the hell out of Iowa's, too.
 
It starts with the people of Iowa, kids in Iowa grow up Wrestling and playing basketball. Football is not as important to the residents of Iowa as it is in other states. Sure a large population base will produce more Division I players, but Iowa can produce more than it has in recent years.

These states have a better ratio of Division 1 players to total players in the state:

New Mexico
West Virginia
Nebraska
Massachusetts
Kansas
Connecticut
IDAHO!!!
Delaware!!!

States that produce around 20,000 total athletes:
Iowa- 8 division 1 recruits
Mass- 10
Wash- 26
S Car- 24
Missouri- 35
SEC states- 80+


How about Utah!! Little over 8,000 athletes and 36 Division 1 signees.
 
While I think that Dinardo has a legit point with the unofficial visits making it harder on schools like Iowa, let's be honest. Iowa has a LOT bigger problems than that. Not allowing players on the social networks probably plays a bigger tole in our losing recruits than the distance for visits. Our schemes and the way that we use players have to be much bigger concerns.

Coaches are paid to recruit players. They need to sell the program. They aren't doing it. If this was a discussion on why we keep losing the 5-star players to Ohio State, sure, distance might be relevant. For a program that can barely compete with Iowa State or Ball State, we have a lot of other fish to fry before worrying about unofficial visits.

I think you're missing the point. A kid can have multiple unofficial visits and then make his decision before ever getting to any official visit. That is working against Iowa in many ways.
 
Kansas State is another example. No way is Manhattan Kansas a more attractive alternative than Iowa City. However, I have renewed hope for the future upon reading the article in the Gazette about their new recruiting coordinator, Wallace. He seems like he's got the right attitude and drive to turn this around. Face it, you need to work twice as hard on selling kids on Iowa, but it can be done with the right message. I think Eric Johnson should have been running a Culver's a long time ago.

Kansas State takes the Hoiberg "Transfer U" approach --- They are fully stocked with JC players
 
It starts with the people of Iowa, kids in Iowa grow up Wrestling and playing basketball. Football is not as important to the residents of Iowa as it is in other states. Sure a large population base will produce more Division I players, but Iowa can produce more than it has in recent years.

These states have a better ratio of Division 1 players to total players in the state:

New Mexico
West Virginia
Nebraska
Massachusetts
Kansas
Connecticut
IDAHO!!!
Delaware!!!

States that produce around 20,000 total athletes:
Iowa- 8 division 1 recruits
Mass- 10
Wash- 26
S Car- 24
Missouri- 35
SEC states- 80+


How about Utah!! Little over 8,000 athletes and 36 Division 1 signees.
More proof that Iowa HS football is a joke.
 
It starts with the people of Iowa, kids in Iowa grow up Wrestling and playing basketball. Football is not as important to the residents of Iowa as it is in other states. Sure a large population base will produce more Division I players, but Iowa can produce more than it has in recent years.

These states have a better ratio of Division 1 players to total players in the state:

New Mexico
West Virginia
Nebraska
Massachusetts
Kansas
Connecticut
IDAHO!!!
Delaware!!!

States that produce around 20,000 total athletes:
Iowa- 8 division 1 recruits
Mass- 10
Wash- 26
S Car- 24
Missouri- 35
SEC states- 80+


How about Utah!! Little over 8,000 athletes and 36 Division 1 signees.

Where did you find this nugget of information? Mind boggling if true. I never understood why Iowa produces such a low number of Div 1 fb prospects. Is it that difficult to produce decent college lineman???? Which I assume most are that get recruited.
 
Exactly. If unofficial visits are the reason for poor recruiting, and that is based on distance to travel, it doesn't make sense that any other midwest program would have success. The ONLY difference between Notre Dame and Iowa is that Notre Dame won't tolerate mediocrity. They WILL fire you for it! They have standards and expectations. They also share their in state talent base with 2 other Power 5 conf schools and they share the state of Ill with 2 other power 5 conf schools.
We at little ol' Iowa, will tolerate mediocrity. We don't have standards or expectations. THAT'S the only difference.

The difference between Notre Dame and Iowa is that Notre Dame does less with more than any school in the country.

Iowa TRIES to do more with less than any school in the country.
 

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