hawkeyes87
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So the left side of the line was the main problem, but our OC shouldn't be expected to work around that?
Quick passes? Runs to the right? Screens? What adjustments were made, that show BF had any answers?
Re-watched the second half of the game ...
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Quick passes? Runs to the right? Screens? What adjustments were made, that show BF had any answers?
I get that.
I'm not going to single out players.
Like it or not winning is a team effort and so is losing.
But it was glaringly obvious what group cost us that W.
Lol I wondered how long it would take for this shit take to come out.
I'm not one of the people who think the sky is falling. This season is going about how I thought it would. Better in fact. I thought Iowa would lose to ISU and Michigan. And like Caddy said, if Iowa and ISU played again, I think ISU would win.
Fryowa
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Scherff was the last OG Iowa lineman we've had. Guys like Gallery, Yanda, Bulaga, and Scherff would eat Wirfs for brunch no matter how many times he can hang clean 450. He's got a bunch of talent but not the headiness that those guys I mentioned already had by the time they were juniors.
I'd argue the mental side of it is even more important than being the size of a Volkswagon. Look at James Daniels. He' undersized, under strengthed, and under quicked for his position, but he'll be an every day NFLer for years because he's a smart football player.
So....
I guess to me it comes back to coaching. If Polasek is getting the physical freaks to sign up but he's not good enough to make them standouts, what the F is he doing here?
okeefe4prez
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Daniels looked like a deer in headlights when he was playing center that year against 3-4 defenses. I thought maybe he had an issue and didn't grasp it, but now I realize it was probably him thinking "oh shit, I gotta coach 4 other linemen, a TE and a RB on what to do on this play and because numbnuts didn't get the call into the huddle until there were 8 seconds left on the playclock..oh shit..." Snaps ball. Two unimpeded rushers through.
guffus
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I know Kirk does not change coaches in mid-season, but it may be time, once the season does end, to end the Polasek experiment as the OL coach.
Polasek may see the writing on the wall and bail for an OC job at a decent FCS or MAC level school.
Or maybe Kirk can play musical chairs with his assistants but somebody has to go if the main idea is to bring in a new decent OL coach. Ironically the OL coaching problem could be solved by Kirk retiring, Brian becoming head coach, Polasek the OC and a new decent guy becomes the OL coach.
Polasek may see the writing on the wall and bail for an OC job at a decent FCS or MAC level school.
Or maybe Kirk can play musical chairs with his assistants but somebody has to go if the main idea is to bring in a new decent OL coach. Ironically the OL coaching problem could be solved by Kirk retiring, Brian becoming head coach, Polasek the OC and a new decent guy becomes the OL coach.
No, Iowa State got lucky on two big plays or the game wouldn't have been that close. We are getting better in the secondary with experience. Iowa State might beat us 3 out of 10. Michigan has a lot better defense, particularly the DL and secondary.
NikeHawk21
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That one is tried and true. It usually takes the clown fans a few weeks and an Iowa loss to pull that one out followed with wait until next year Campbell has these guys going. Lately though with 5 losses in a row they’ve shifted to ISU game is Iowa’s super bowl as if we lost that game is would someone make us do better in the other games or something. The clown fan is an interesting creature.
Do we know who Caddy is a fan of? Certainly not an Iowa fan.
homes
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Agree. I don't think BF is off the hook. If there are players getting outperformed by the opponent, even presuming they're the best you have at that position, then it's incumbent upon BF as the OC to 1) recognize it and 2) create something on offense that does not require those players to do more than they're capable of doing. I understand execution of plays is critical, but sometimes, some days, it just isn't happening, so it's good to know how to effectively counter.
kameltoez102
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Having Schott out really hurt us at guard. I still give a lot of the blame to BF because he did not try anything different or make adjustments on the fly. So Paulsen was playing poor, sometimes you have to roll with the cards that are dealt and move the pocket, go shotgun and get the ball out of Stanley's hand quicker, etc. There are lots of ways to adjust and someone who has as much experience as he does should know how to do these things. Heck how about just calling a timeout and saying what the F*^%K guys what is going on out there. I still think he abandoned the run too quickly as well.
FryIowa, correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't Reese Morgan the offensive line coach for a long time, or atleast while we had an elite line? Then, if I remember right, our d line was struggling so bad and so Kirk moved Reese over to that side and then he made that unit elite as well? I don't remember the timeline with all of that, I just know I have always had Reese Morgan held in very high regard, probably more than Kirk himself, for the quality of his scouting and coaching.
On everything you wrote, I agree with you. The offensive line has looked like a clueless mess for a couple of years now and that is on Polasek's watch.
WinOneThisCentury
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Well...since Iowa State is 0 for their last five...i'm going to say you are probably wrong. That's 0-5 with the great Matt Campbell at the helm for the last four. How can you seriously type that crap when you know ISU has become our bitch. You think next year is going to provide a better opportunity? In Kinnick? I don't think so.
eveningnewsteam
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RM coached the oline from 03-11. BF took over the oline in 2012
What I saw on tape and charted was that we tried to both run into that side as well as run away from that side. We actually did run fairly successfully a couple of times to the 68-77 side and we ran a screen well over there as well. It wasnt consistent though, and situations dictated we had to throw. It looked like we could have run behind Wirfs as their defense flowed to his side leaving that cutback lane open, however, 68 and 77 did such a poor job blocking that our backs were getting tackled from behind on the backside.
We did go out of shotgun. A lot. Here is the formation breakdown in the second half:
21: 8 times. ran 3 times for 23 yards. 1 play action for 30 yds. 2 sacks. 1 holding penalty on 68. 1 holding penalty on Michigan corner.
11: 9 times. 7 yds. 2-5 passing. 2 holds. 1 ineligible receiver down field.
10. 4 times. 2-3 for 37 yards. Was the Sargent screen and the Tracy tackle break. 1 sack where Sargent whiffed.
12. 4 times. Ran 3 times for 8 yards. Other play was play action where 77 missed and forced Stanley to step up in pocket.
20. 1 time. Ran this on 3rd and 9, but Levi Paulsen gets beat badly and makes Stanley throw early or that would have been a sack, so incomplete.
01. 2 times. Had decent time to throw both plays. One play was a 9 yd slant to Nico, and the other was the 31 yard beauty to Goodson as he lined up in the slot. On the 31 yarder it was the only time that Michigan really went after Wirfs.
Empty set. 3 times. 2-2 for 19 yards. Both of those were on 1st and 10. The third time was on 3rd and 24 and Levi Paulsen missed his block and Stanley got sacked.
On the 10, 11, 20, 01 and Empty were all out of shotgun. There may have been one play where Stanley was under center in the 11 formation, I didnt write that down. Out of 31 plays, that is 19 plays out of shotgun.
I just dont see a lot that we left on the table here. Protection was equally poor in each and every formation and skill position lineup.
Thanks for the clarification. Who coached the o line from 99-02? And did RM go to the d line in 12?
okeefe4prez
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PHILBIN AIN'T COMING BACK
If Polasek isnt doing the job (which some people are saying), and if Brian and maybe Kirk are observing that he isnt doing the job, then why arent Brian at least and Kirk sticking their noses in there to do some coaching.
Who was playing the other tackle position while while Jackson was out?? It seemed he was doing the job and graded out ok. Was that player injured??
Wasnt Schott pile driving guys in some games? Maybe the coaches need to change the starters.
Schott is hurt and the backup LT spot is Kallenberger. It is really the G positions that are the weak spot though.
I agree, Kirk should right the ship on the line. He cant be happy what is going on there being a OL coach himself.
Aww, thats right.
