Re: Garmon and marijuana paranoia

skinnykilmer17

skinnykilmer17

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Here is a thought, why don't we decriminalize marijuana and criminalize the legal opiates being pushed by the drug companies? Oh right, too much $$$$$ at stake for the pharmaceutical companies. I realize the following article mostly focuses on New Mexico but let's not kid ourselves, it is a nationwide problem.

If I had a son and I allowed him to play football from Pop Warner age up through high school and especially if he went on to play college ball for let's say Kirk Ferentz who, judging by his unsympathetic treatment of ARob following at least two concussions that we know about (look up his quote comparing knee injuries to concussions and also academic indigestion) takes an old-fashioned approach to concussions, I would most definitely encourage my son to smoke some dope to alleviate some discomfort caused by taking repeated shots to the head and body and vehemently discourage him from using legal opiates.

I have no idea why Greg Garmon chooses to smoke dope. A great many high school kids do, including myself at that age. I also smoked a little during college as a stress reliever and some enlightenment you might say but quit shortly thereafter. I never felt compelled to move onto stronger illegal drugs.

We need to get over this country's marijuana hysteria. Nowhere in the following article did I see anyone linking using marijuana to using harder drugs. Quite the contrary. But moving on from pills is mentioned.

The word marijuana is not mentioned. Which is unfortunate in a way as it is much safer and less addictive.

Considering the punishment and long-term damage due to prolonged hits to the head that we are just now beginning to understand (but not necessarily accept), I find it shocking that we don't prescribe medical marijuana for football players on a regular basis.

Marijuana should be legalized. No restrictions. I have no dog in the fight.

Except maybe fewer Hawkeyes, specifically running backs, would be shown the door. They would then be treated like all the underage alchohol abusers and only suspended.;)


From the NY Times article:

"Public health officials here say the spike is being driven primarily by prescription opioids — painkillers like oxycodone, morphine and methadone — whose sales in the state rose 131 percent during the same period. In New Mexico, the overdose death rate from prescription drugs now outstrips that from illegal drugs, the report found."

"Over the last decade, deaths from prescription drug overdoses have risen to unprecedented levels throughout the country, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention."

“'Every young person I’ve talked to that’s using heroin always started with pills,†said Jennifer Weiss, president of the Heroin Awareness Committee, formed in 2010 to curb opiate addiction in New Mexico. “It’s just been progressively getting worse.' Ms. Weiss’s own son, Cameron, a wrestler and football player at La Cueva High School, a local sports powerhouse, became addicted to prescription painkillers after a series of injuries."

Marijuana as a Gateway Drug: The Myth That Will Not Die | Healthland | TIME.com
 




I didn't read your post. But even if it were legal, I assume that it would be age restricted like alcohol. Therefore he still would have broken the law. Which would no different than this.
 


Pharmaceutical companies don't want anyone to be able to get their medicine from a plant that can resupply the patient forever. They want a patient to buy a manufactured drug that the company made.
 


skinnykilmer17 said:
Here is a thought, why don't we decriminalize marijuana and criminalize the legal opiates being pushed by the drug companies? Oh right, too much $$$$$ at stake for the pharmaceutical companies. I realize the following article mostly focuses on New Mexico but let's not kid ourselves, it is a nationwide problem.

If I had a son and I allowed him to play football from Pop Warner age up through high school and especially if he went on to play college ball for let's say Kirk Ferentz who, judging by his unsympathetic treatment of ARob following at least two concussions that we know about (look up his quote comparing knee injuries to concussions and also academic indigestion) takes an old-fashioned approach to concussions, I would most definitely encourage my son to smoke some dope to alleviate some discomfort caused by taking repeated shots to the head and body and vehemently discourage him from using legal opiates.

I have no idea why Greg Garmon chooses to smoke dope. A great many high school kids do, including myself at that age. I also smoked a little during college as a stress reliever and some enlightenment you might say but quit shortly thereafter. I never felt compelled to move onto stronger illegal drugs.

We need to get over this country's marijuana hysteria. Nowhere in the following article did I see anyone linking using marijuana to using harder drugs. Quite the contrary. But moving on from pills is mentioned.

The word marijuana is not mentioned. Which is unfortunate in a way as it is much safer and less addictive.

Considering the punishment and long-term damage due to prolonged hits to the head that we are just now beginning to understand (but not necessarily accept), I find it shocking that we don't prescribe medical marijuana for football players on a regular basis.

Marijuana should be legalized. No restrictions. I have no dog in the fight.

Except maybe fewer Hawkeyes, specifically running backs, would be shown the door. They would then be treated like all the underage alchohol abusers and only suspended.;)


From the NY Times article:

"Public health officials here say the spike is being driven primarily by prescription opioids — painkillers like oxycodone, morphine and methadone — whose sales in the state rose 131 percent during the same period. In New Mexico, the overdose death rate from prescription drugs now outstrips that from illegal drugs, the report found."

"Over the last decade, deaths from prescription drug overdoses have risen to unprecedented levels throughout the country, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention."

“'Every young person I’ve talked to that’s using heroin always started with pills,†said Jennifer Weiss, president of the Heroin Awareness Committee, formed in 2010 to curb opiate addiction in New Mexico. “It’s just been progressively getting worse.' Ms. Weiss’s own son, Cameron, a wrestler and football player at La Cueva High School, a local sports powerhouse, became addicted to prescription painkillers after a series of injuries."

Marijuana as a Gateway Drug: The Myth That Will Not Die | Healthland | TIME.com
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Amen! We as humans are a pretty f***ed up form of life.
 


The good news if pot were legalized is that it would solve some other problems:

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The Effects of Marijuana on the Male:[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Marijuana affect the parts of the brain which controls the sex and growth hormones. In males, marijuana can decrease the testosterone level. Occasional cases of enlarged breasts in male marijuana users are triggered by the chemical impact on the hormone system. [/FONT]
Effects-Of-Marijuana.com - Information regarding the long and short term effects of marijuana

Football players would be smaller, but sexual assaults would decrease.
But then, that could be countered by HGH, so maybe it's a crapshoot.



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Effects on the Heart
Marijuana increases heart rate by 20-100 percent shortly after smoking; this effect can last up to 3 hours. In one study, it was estimated that marijuana users have a 4.8-fold increase in the risk of heart attack in the first hour after smoking the drug.5

Effects on the Lungs
Numerous studies have shown marijuana smoke to contain carcinogens and to be an irritant to the lungs. In fact, marijuana smoke contains 50-70 percent more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than tobacco smoke. Marijuana users usually inhale more deeply and hold their breath longer than tobacco smokers do, which further increase the lungs' exposure to carcinogenic smoke. Marijuana smokers show dysregulated growth of epithelial cells in their lung tissue, which could lead to cancer;6 however, a recent case-controlled study found no positive associations between marijuana use and lung, upper respiratory, or upper digestive tract cancers.7 Thus, the link between marijuana smoking and these cancers remains unsubstantiated at this time.
Nonetheless, marijuana smokers can have many of the same respiratory problems as tobacco smokers, such as daily cough and phlegm production, more frequent acute chest illness, and a heightened risk of lung infections. A study of 450 individuals found that people who smoke marijuana frequently but do not smoke tobacco have more health problems and miss more days of work than nonsmokers.8 Many of the extra sick days among the marijuana smokers in the study were for respiratory illnesses.

Effects on Daily Life
Research clearly demonstrates that marijuana has the potential to cause problems in daily life or make a person's existing problems worse. In one study, heavy marijuana abusers reported that the drug impaired several important measures of life achievement, including physical and mental health, cognitive abilities, social life, and career status.9 Several studies associate workers' marijuana smoking with increased absences, tardiness, accidents, workers' compensation claims, and job turnover
http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/marijuana
 




This is moot as it relates to the discussion of Greg Garmon. It's illegal, he knows its illegal, yet he still chose to do it and in front of the prospects of being a couple months away from competing for a starting job at a Big Ten university.

It shows very poor judgement and sketchy priorities. Very poor.
 




I will say it again. The meds doctors have prescribed in my lifetime have worse side effects than marijuana.
 


JonDMiller said:
This is moot as it relates to the discussion of Greg Garmon. It's illegal, he knows its illegal, yet he still chose to do it and in front of the prospects of being a couple months away from competing for a starting job at a Big Ten university.It shows very poor judgement and sketchy priorities. Very poor.
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completely agree but too many are making it into a it is just pot argument. whether someone believes it should be legal or not isnt the point. right now it is illegal. we cant make the excuse if we get pulled over for going 75 in a 55 that we feel the speed limit should be 75 so it is ok. that doesnt hold up in court. if you disagree with a law you try to change it rather than flat out defy it and then get mad when you get caught.

that kind of thinking is what makes my job (teaching) so difficult. we have so many students that learn fronm their parents that if they dont agree with something than they didnt actually do anything wrong. this is a major societal issue (not the marijuana but the attitude toward this situation).
 


JonDMiller said:
This is moot as it relates to the discussion of Greg Garmon. It's illegal, he knows its illegal, yet he still chose to do it and in front of the prospects of being a couple months away from competing for a starting job at a Big Ten university.

It shows very poor judgement and sketchy priorities. Very poor.
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I agree. So should he be treated more harshly than an incoming recruit or someone already on the roster for drinking alcohol under the legal age of 21 who is arrested for possession of alcohol or public intox? Should his judgement, or lack of, be held to higher scrutiny?

Should we expect 18 yr-olds to always use sound judgement? Just because they have a scholarship to play football?

So what form of discipline would you expect from KF given his track record re pot and underage drinking?
 


skinnykilmer17 said:
I agree. So should he be treated more harshly than an incoming recruit or someone already on the roster for drinking alcohol under the legal age of 21 who is arrested for possession of alcohol or public intox? Should his judgement, or lack of, be held to higher scrutiny?

Should we expect 18 yr-olds to always use sound judgement? Just because they have a scholarship to play football?

So what form of discipline would you expect from KF given his track record re pot and underage drinking?
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I really have no idea how Kirk is going to handle this one. Sort of new territory here...not on campus yet, but a signed player. If anything I would think he gets much less lenience for any future infractions.
 


JonDMiller said:
This is moot as it relates to the discussion of Greg Garmon. It's illegal, he knows its illegal, yet he still chose to do it and in front of the prospects of being a couple months away from competing for a starting job at a Big Ten university.

It shows very poor judgement and sketchy priorities. Very poor.
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I would argue that Kirk's judgement of the whole ARob situation was much, much worse than Greg Garmon's judgement. Kirk's judgement showed much sketchier priorities also. We all know this is true even if some of us choose to ignore it.
 


tksirius said:
I would argue that Kirk's judgement of the whole ARob situation was much, much worse than Greg Garmon's judgement. Kirk's judgement showed much sketchier priorities also. We all know this is true even if some of us choose to ignore it.
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Please elaborate
 


tksirius said:
JonDMiller said:
This is moot as it relates to the discussion of Greg Garmon. It's illegal, he knows its illegal, yet he still chose to do it and in front of the prospects of being a couple months away from competing for a starting job at a Big Ten university.It shows very poor judgement and sketchy priorities. Very poor.
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I would argue that Kirk's judgement of the whole ARob situation was much, much worse than Greg Garmon's judgement. Kirk's judgement showed much sketchier priorities also. We all know this is true even if some of us choose to ignore it.
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you being sirius TK? What are u talking about?
 


DDThompson said:
The good news if pot were legalized is that it would solve some other problems:

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The Effects of Marijuana on the Male:[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Marijuana affect the parts of the brain which controls the sex and growth hormones. In males, marijuana can decrease the testosterone level. Occasional cases of enlarged breasts in male marijuana users are triggered by the chemical impact on the hormone system. [/FONT]
Effects-Of-Marijuana.com - Information regarding the long and short term effects of marijuana​

Football players would be smaller, but sexual assaults would decrease.
But then, that could be countered by HGH, so maybe it's a crapshoot.​




Effects on the Heart
Marijuana increases heart rate by 20-100 percent shortly after smoking; this effect can last up to 3 hours. In one study, it was estimated that marijuana users have a 4.8-fold increase in the risk of heart attack in the first hour after smoking the drug.5

Effects on the Lungs
Numerous studies have shown marijuana smoke to contain carcinogens and to be an irritant to the lungs. In fact, marijuana smoke contains 50-70 percent more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than tobacco smoke. Marijuana users usually inhale more deeply and hold their breath longer than tobacco smokers do, which further increase the lungs' exposure to carcinogenic smoke. Marijuana smokers show dysregulated growth of epithelial cells in their lung tissue, which could lead to cancer;6 however, a recent case-controlled study found no positive associations between marijuana use and lung, upper respiratory, or upper digestive tract cancers.7 Thus, the link between marijuana smoking and these cancers remains unsubstantiated at this time.
Nonetheless, marijuana smokers can have many of the same respiratory problems as tobacco smokers, such as daily cough and phlegm production, more frequent acute chest illness, and a heightened risk of lung infections. A study of 450 individuals found that people who smoke marijuana frequently but do not smoke tobacco have more health problems and miss more days of work than nonsmokers.8 Many of the extra sick days among the marijuana smokers in the study were for respiratory illnesses.

Effects on Daily Life
Research clearly demonstrates that marijuana has the potential to cause problems in daily life or make a person's existing problems worse. In one study, heavy marijuana abusers reported that the drug impaired several important measures of life achievement, including physical and mental health, cognitive abilities, social life, and career status.9 Several studies associate workers' marijuana smoking with increased absences, tardiness, accidents, workers' compensation claims, and job turnover
http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/marijuana
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But it's dope, DD and these Lotus lovers want their dope.......no matter the damage to society and youth.
 


skinnykilmer17 said:
I agree. So should he be treated more harshly than an incoming recruit or someone already on the roster for drinking alcohol under the legal age of 21 who is arrested for possession of alcohol or public intox? Should his judgement, or lack of, be held to higher scrutiny?

Should we expect 18 yr-olds to always use sound judgement? Just because they have a scholarship to play football?
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No. No. Yes. No.

I expect my 18 yr-old to use sound judgment. That doesn't mean he always does. But I expect him to.

I always expect him to obey the laws. The only judgment when it comes to the law is obeying it.
 


Let the law do what they are going to do let Kirk do his due diligence and I expect a fair resolution to this. Greg Garmon showed very poor judgement, no doubt, but it is NOT a shootin' offense. I expect Greg Garmon to be a good citizen from here on and a BIG contributor to the Hawkeyes fortunes this year.
 




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