Ranking Update

HuckFinn

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Just thought I would mention the rankings in the Football Playoff Poll, which is the only one that matters. Iowa is at #17. The Hawks have 3 losses, to teams ranked 8, 12, 13. And, a win against 10th ranked Minnesota. One of the two teams mentioned,WI and MN, will be playing for the BT championship vs MI or OSU. Iowa’s three losses were by a total of 14 points. Not bad for an offensively challenged, but top 5 in the country, scoring defense. OK, Team Caddy (TK, Fry, etc.)...Your turn!
 
The Hawks are an above avg team. The angst from many fans is this great defense with a mediocre offense, rinse and repeat each year. In an era of high powered offense where coaches show how to scheme receivers to be wide open or get them in areas to make a catch and make big yards after the catch the hawks struggle to score 1 TD a game.

The angst is from what could be from the 2016 season to this year with just a 25% increase in offensive performance.

And for many fans it starts with seeing a poor running game which is supposed to set up the whole offense.

The pollsters know that Iowa can beat most teams.
 
I should say that this offense will really be looked at even more poorly if they cannot score a bunch this Friday and not help with a victory. I have seen Illinois, Indiana and a few teams just slice and dice Nebby's defense this year.
 
I’m by no means one of the haters, I think Iowa does have a very solid team this year and had a daunting schedule. I still think last year was a huge missed opportunity. I continue to believe our talent level is going to continue to be strong the next few years with our recent recruiting efforts. We need to figure out how to run the ball though.

With that said, I don’t believe you can use the we only lost by a combined however many points argument. I saw someone doing that elsewhere. That is literally the style that Iowa plays, that’s Kirk’s scheme. Which means we are going to be in a lot of close games, i.e. we will play Michigan, Penn State, and UW close, but we will also play Illinois and Purdue in close games.

That would be like a Lickliter basketball team losing 42-50 to a top 10 team and saying well we only lost by 8!
 
With that said, I don’t believe you can use the we only lost by a combined however many points argument. I saw someone doing that elsewhere. That is literally the style that Iowa plays, that’s Kirk’s scheme. Which means we are going to be in a lot of close games, i.e. we will play Michigan, Penn State, and UW close, but we will also play Illinois and Purdue in close games.
Kirk is a victim of his own scheme.

There’s no guarantee that any of the close losses turns to a W throwing out the risk-averse offensive game plans.

It’s just as likely that those close losses turn into double-digit defeats and DaHaterz will just move the goal posts on why they hate Ferentz.

Obviously the risk-averse offense can be jettisoned when it is required — like falling behind by 2 TDs in the second half to Wisconsin.
 
Call me a hater but no matter what happens the rest of the season I will look back on this year and wonder what could have been. Iowa had a defense to win the Big Ten this year and the offense failed and a lot of this is because of the offensive line, which used to be a strength of an Iowa team. They let winnable games at Michigan, Wisconsin, and at home against Pedo State go right through their fingers.
 
Kirk is a victim of his own scheme.

There’s no guarantee that any of the close losses turns to a W throwing out the risk-averse offensive game plans.

It’s just as likely that those close losses turn into double-digit defeats and DaHaterz will just move the goal posts on why they hate Ferentz.

Obviously the risk-averse offense can be jettisoned when it is required — like falling behind by 2 TDs in the second half to Wisconsin.
That’s a pretty odd argument to me. I’m not saying that changing the scheme would win any more of those games for sure, what I’m saying is you can’t use the close losses argument as a supporting argument for KF when that’s literally the style we play.

That’s why they say at the end of the day the only thing that matters is who wins and who loses.
 
this is the worst good season, or the best bad season that I remember in Iowa. A chance to go 9-3 which is rare for Iowa...with a tough schedule... and so much frustration... Imagine how good they'd be if they had a good offense.
 
Call me a hater but no matter what happens the rest of the season I will look back on this year and wonder what could have been. Iowa had a defense to win the Big Ten this year and the offense failed and a lot of this is because of the offensive line, which used to be a strength of an Iowa team. They let winnable games at Michigan, Wisconsin, and at home against Pedo State go right through their fingers.

Iowa could very easily end up with a 2 season run of 19-7 or 18-8 and I would label it as a big disappointment.

Iowa has failed to capitalize on their own talent level being high compared to their division rivals and the fact that Wisconsin has fallen back to the pack over the last 2 seasons. 2018 & 2019 were Iowa's chances to win the division and they simply blew it.

Now Minnesota and Illinois are surging forward and if Purdue can ever get healthy they're loaded with talent comparatively to the division.

To make matters worse, Iowa keeps losing guys early to the pros while the rest of the division doesn't. The top 2 teams in the division: Wisconsin has 2 guys that will probably go early and Minnesota has 1 that might. Iowa could easily lose 5.
 
Call me a hater but no matter what happens the rest of the season I will look back on this year and wonder what could have been. Iowa had a defense to win the Big Ten this year and the offense failed and a lot of this is because of the offensive line, which used to be a strength of an Iowa team. They let winnable games at Michigan, Wisconsin, and at home against Pedo State go right through their fingers.
You’re not one of DaHaterz; most people on here aren’t.

I don’t think it’s being a Haterz to discuss what happens on the field. To call into question KF’s or the coaches’ character or integrity because someone’s personal perception isn’t being met — that is just a petty person.

Iowa did let games slip. To say they let three games slip through is idealistic—they weren’t going to go undefeated.

The only game that matters in hindsight is Wisconsin. Win that one and a division title is being played for on Friday.
 
That’s a pretty odd argument to me. I’m not saying that changing the scheme would win any more of those games for sure, what I’m saying is you can’t use the close losses argument as a supporting argument for KF when that’s literally the style we play.

That’s why they say at the end of the day the only thing that matters is who wins and who loses.
I’m certainly not using the argument as a support for KF. It also cannot be used as a detraction from him. His scheme loses games he shouldn’t and wins even more games he shouldn’t — except for the last couple of years.

Still, something like 53-58 in one possession games isn’t anything to crow about.
 
Call me a hater but no matter what happens the rest of the season I will look back on this year and wonder what could have been. Iowa had a defense to win the Big Ten this year and the offense failed and a lot of this is because of the offensive line, which used to be a strength of an Iowa team. They let winnable games at Michigan, Wisconsin, and at home against Pedo State go right through their fingers.

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I’m by no means one of the haters, I think Iowa does have a very solid team this year and had a daunting schedule. I still think last year was a huge missed opportunity. I continue to believe our talent level is going to continue to be strong the next few years with our recent recruiting efforts. We need to figure out how to run the ball though.

With that said, I don’t believe you can use the we only lost by a combined however many points argument. I saw someone doing that elsewhere. That is literally the style that Iowa plays, that’s Kirk’s scheme. Which means we are going to be in a lot of close games, i.e. we will play Michigan, Penn State, and UW close, but we will also play Illinois and Purdue in close games.

That would be like a Lickliter basketball team losing 42-50 to a top 10 team and saying well we only lost by 8!

Completely agree with 1) optimism for the next few years, based on recent recruiting successes and 2) your dislike of the "lost _ games by a combined _ points" argument.

I think we can take this argument one step further. I think Iowa's philosophy does indeed result in many close games. In fact, just about every game is a close game. In recent years, we've hardly ever been blown out. And even in our lopsided victories, they're not that lopsided in our favor. By definition, this style makes us very competitive. But it is dramatically limiting and damaging to our offensive development.

So how would you define Iowa's philosophy for total team football? I think it is built around the core idea of limiting possessions and progressing the game to a "winning moment" as quickly as possible. The Minnesota game is a great example of this plan working. Play well, take the lead, hold onto it and win the game. But there are many other examples to choose from. There are other things you can point to: don't turn the ball over, let the other team make a mistake or "lose the game".

This overarching style strongly favors the defense. The goal is to limit possessions, control damage, and properly manage risk. But our offense has clearly suffered. On this website, twitter, radio SoundOff, etc. - many fans want to blame offensive play calling. But it's much deeper than that. Iowa's top-down strategy is not to score as many points as possible, it's to win the game. If that means winning by one point, so be it. On paper, this is great. The goal is to win games! But that's not the entire story and it's the very core of our offensive weaknesses. Iowa carries this strategy into every single game and every single offensive possession, and we suffer against good teams in big games because of it. In recent times (and for the foreseeable future), Iowa will schedule it's two first games against inferior non-conference opponents. In those games, Iowa should be pushing hard on offense to see what works, who their playmakers are, and to test what kind of offense they can be. Instead, the offense plays with the "our goal is to win (by one score)" mentality. Specifically, we NEVER run a 2-minute drill early in the season. The offensive staff must think we don't need to. And in games against Middle TN State, they're right, we don't. At the end of the 1st half of every game, we are incredibly content to sit on the ball and jog into the locker room for halftime, instead of pushing for a score before halftime. If we're up 3 points, why would we need another score??

Later in the year, against high quality conference defenses, our offense sputters. They don't know how to manufacture a scoring drive when they need it. And they don't know how to run a 2-minute drill / manage a high stress game-clock situation. Who would've guessed, we're in a 2 minute drill situation against Michigan and Penn State?? It sure would be nice if our offense had game experience in this type of situation... But we don't. In part, this is because our philosophy doesn't allow our offense to use early season games to experiment and get comfortable. I think Iowa's results would improve if the philosophy allowed them to try and score more points
 
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