Ranking the B1G right now

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Hawk5656

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Here is what I would rank it right now.

1. Purdue
2. Wisconsin
3. Indiana
4. Michigan
5. Maryland
6. Ohio State
7. Michigan State
8. Northwestern
9. Minnesota
10. Illinois
11. Iowa
12. Nebraska
13. Penn State
14. Rutgers

Thoughts?
 
Iowa ahead of ILL. KenPom has Iowa just above, and I think ILL drubbing @ Maryland was worse than ours to Purdue. Heck KenPom only has Maryland at #54. Other than that pretty good. Difference between 10-4 teams isn't much IMO. We shall see Sunday.
 
NikeHawk21 said:
Iowa ahead of ILL. KenPom has Iowa just above, and I think ILL drubbing @ Maryland was worse than ours to Purdue. Heck KenPom only has Maryland at #54. Other than that pretty good. Difference between 10-4 teams isn't much IMO. We shall see Sunday.
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Illinois is 10-4 and has played a tougher schedule than us so that's why I put them ahead of us. I don't think there that great though, they have some pieces but Groce is Groce
 
Hawk5656 said:
Illinois is 10-4 and has played a tougher schedule than us so that's why I put them ahead of us. I don't think there that great though, they have some pieces but Groce is Groce
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Debatable on the schedule - Iowa has played 2 better overall teams in Purdue and Virginia and IL hasn't faced anything close to either of those teams- They've both played 8 games against the top 150 and IL certainly has been better against them
 
InGoodCo said:
Debatable on the schedule - Iowa has played 2 better overall teams in Purdue and Virginia and IL hasn't faced anything close to either of those teams- They've both played 8 games against the top 150 and IL certainly has been better against them
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Their SOS right now is #11 and we're #147
 
Hawk5656 said:
Their SOS right now is #11 and we're #147
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Think of the difference between playing the 25th ranked team and the 100th ranked team. Then think of the difference between playing the 225th best team and the 300th best team. Both are a 75 point difference. But one is the difference between a probable loss and a probable win while the other is pretty much a guaranteed win either way.

If we could replace or 300 plus teams with 200 trams, our strength of schedule would look night and day better. All while having the same number of "guaranteed " wins.
 
Hawk5656 said:
Their SOS right now is #11 and we're #147
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again - they've both played 8 games against the top 150 - Iowa is 2-6 and IL is 4-4 and again - IL certainly played better bottom dwellers and Iowa has played Virginia and IL hasn't seen a team even close, their highest RPI ranked opponent was against Maryland where they got beat like a drum.
 
PCHawk said:
Think of the difference between playing the 25th ranked team and the 100th ranked team. Then think of the difference between playing the 225th best team and the 300th best team. Both are a 75 point difference. But one is the difference between a probable loss and a probable win while the other is pretty much a guaranteed win either way.

If we could replace or 300 plus teams with 200 trams, our strength of schedule would look night and day better. All while having the same number of "guaranteed " wins.
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North Dakota is #258 and that was a close game, Stetson, Texas Rio Grande and Deleware State were all 290's and those were all blowouts.
 
Hawk5656 said:
Here is what I would rank it right now.

1. Purdue
2. Wisconsin
3. Indiana
4. Michigan
5. Maryland
6. Ohio State
7. Michigan State
8. Northwestern
9. Minnesota
10. Illinois
11. Iowa
12. Nebraska
13. Penn State
14. Rutgers

Thoughts?
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I can't speculate. Fran's team does have talent. It's their awareness on the court and their defensive intensity that needs work. Kirk's team had pride enough to come back from the abyss, of course it helped that some personnel changes were made as the season rolled along. Hopefully the BBall team can pick itself up and win some games on pride alone. Let's just write off the Purdue loss as Karma for the handshake incident and assume Iowa has paid its debt.
 
Hawk5656 said:
North Dakota is #258 and that was a close game, Stetson, Texas Rio Grande and Deleware State were all 290's and those were all blowouts.
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Are you saying there is a big difference between 258 and 290 since the 258 game happened to be close?
 
I would be curious to know what RPI would be better. The schedule we played this year, or 13 games against teams right around 150. I would guess it would be the latter. We would probably be 12-1 or 13-0 with that schedule too. Shows how dumb the RPI is.
 
PCHawk said:
I would be curious to know what RPI would be better. The schedule we played this year, or 13 games against teams right around 150. I would guess it would be the latter. We would probably be 12-1 or 13-0 with that schedule too. Shows how dumb the RPI is.
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We couldn't beat Omaha at home who will probably finish below 150 and lost to Memphis who's right at 150 now.
 
PCHawk said:
Are you saying there is a big difference between 258 and 290 since the 258 game happened to be close?
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I say there is a difference at all levels. I agree 25 to 100 is a bigger gap than 200 to 275 but there still is a big gap.
 
Hawk5656 said:
We couldn't beat Omaha at home who will probably finish below 150 and lost to Memphis who's right at 150 now.
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You mean we didn't beat. Not couldn't beat. I didn't realize Memphis was that low. Maybe we would have 2 losses. Either way, we wouldn't have 5. And if the strength of schedule looks better playing teams in that range instead of some good and some really bad, it's a flawed system.
 
Wisky & Purdue with Indiana still in there despite the upset loss.

After those 3 it's a jumbled mess. Worst the league has been in years.
 
Another way to say the exact same thing is add 50 points to our worst 5 opponents (make a 300 team a 250 team.) How many teams do we pass in strength of schedule and how much more difficult do we really make the schedule. The answers are a lot and not much at all.
 
Funny comparing the Hawks to Illinois. That is not a good sign. Nebby has a more recent and better win than does Iowa. Nebby has one bad loss like Iowa does. Otherwise they have played a tougher schedule with 1 good win. Hawks don't have that.

Realism needs to set in. Missing a legit point guard, missing an experienced Big Man that can play D and having 1 shooter doesn't = a lot of Big wins at this point.

Saying Iowa got smacked less badly than IL is silly. A smack is a smack. We won the 2nd half doesn't count.

It's fair to say Iowa = NW
It's fair to say Iowa > than Rutgers

Beyond that, nothing is proven.
 
Iowa is better than Rutgers and maybe Penn State so I say they will finish 12th. They are not better than Nebraska, Illinois, Minnesota, Northwestern or the rest of the Big 10.
 
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