I'm curious how those amongst us think at this point. It sorta seems as though Stanley has the leg up for the gig at this point right? If anyone in the media has reported differently on it as far as it being the other way around I haven't seen it. So for the sake of argument here let's say Stanley is in line to take the first snap of the year. If that's the case now wouldn't it be prudent over the next handful of practices leading up to it to get him as many of the 1st team reps as possible and not be splitting them 50/50. Maybe more 75/25 or so? I'm just of the mindset with an inexperienced QB taking the reigns the more reps he can get at this point on the better..
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ibahawkeye
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Im sure Kirk knows there would be benefit to getting 1 more reps. But he also has seen more of these guys than in action more than any media and there are also intangibles like leadership and team chemistry to consider.
So apparently having all this to consider, he's still not ready to name a guy so we'll have to wait and my hope is they find the right guy who gives us the best chance to win.
Perhaps Kirk is aware he hasn't always made the best decisions on QB in the past so he doesn't want to rush. I think he probably looks at this as a long term decision. It's not very often he makes changes at QB mid year unless injury. So take the time, make the right decision now so we aren't having to switch things up once the year has begun.
So apparently having all this to consider, he's still not ready to name a guy so we'll have to wait and my hope is they find the right guy who gives us the best chance to win.
Perhaps Kirk is aware he hasn't always made the best decisions on QB in the past so he doesn't want to rush. I think he probably looks at this as a long term decision. It's not very often he makes changes at QB mid year unless injury. So take the time, make the right decision now so we aren't having to switch things up once the year has begun.
kameltoez102
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As stated above I think it has always been Stanley but with that I think with some of the talent behind KF wants to give everyone a fair shake and give them a chance to compete. I also think that helps Stanley stay focused and play up to his potential. It would not surprise me if the first couple games we jump out to a big lead, some other guys get in for a few possessions to see what they can do. The other big factor that we don't see everyday is how the team rallies behind each guy. There could be a difference there as well..
HawkeyeWalker
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This. Stanley is the man-ly.
trj
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Jon/Deace nailed this in a podcast a couple of weeks ago, It is 2017, it is the game you have to play now. You gotta give Wiegers an opportunity to compete or he walks. If Stanley gets hurt you can maybe salvage the season with Wiegers. You need to keep Wiegers around at least until Stanley has a full year as a starter under his belt. It is kinda shady, but you gotta do it.
guffus
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Even if the Iowa coaches have felt all along that Stanley was the favorite, I don't believe they did anythjng wrong. They are giving Wiegers a fair chance to compete for the job, which I am guessing is the reason he stuck around. If Wiegers does not win it, he can use the grad transfer rule to transfer to another FBS school his senior year, just like Sokol and Rudock did.
And unlike most folks, I am not convinced the competition is over. Stanley had a great practice at kids day, but lets not over-react. It was just one practice.
Oh, who am I kidding? Its over. Stanley has won. Stanley will be the starter.
And unlike most folks, I am not convinced the competition is over. Stanley had a great practice at kids day, but lets not over-react. It was just one practice.
Oh, who am I kidding? Its over. Stanley has won. Stanley will be the starter.
Right and if Stanley is the starter and struggles terribly in games I don't see BF just sitting there and not making a switch. To me Stanley just has the jitters yet and once he calms down and gets more experience he will be fine.
This I totally buy.... Makes all the sense in the world. It just stinks that we are in such a transfer happy world that it is what it is. It sucks that to make that work you in turn may be stunting the growth of your inexperienced #1 guy by limiting his reps with the first group... But they are the coaches working with them every day... I just don't want to see any going back and forth like the JR/CJ fiasco... That could have ended badly too.
SteveGarvey1
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I like Stanley but I hear he fires it 100 MPH on every pass, even the short ones. Hope he learns to take a little off the fastball when he makes the dump off pass, the screen, etc. Cam Newton does the same thing and that's why his completion % isn't that great for the Panthers.
guffus
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Sounds like JVB in 2011-2012. He also seemed to throw every pass hard, lacking that touch you need on certain passes.
Yeah it was frustrating watching JVB and also JC do that. The QBs that have a gun but only use it when they have to are the good ones. Throwing a catchable ball is way more important then the speed in which it gets there
seepig
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I just hope if it's THIS close play both guys here early and give them enough full speed game reps to see who runs the offense the best. I don't even care if we lose an early (because we are likely to anyway) in search of the next signal caller. It's too important of a position to just flip a coin (again if they really are that close) and stay with that guy come hell or high water.
hawkeyebob62
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Exactly. How helpful might it have been to still have Christensen--if even just for the rest of the first half--against NW after Stanzi went down in 2009? How healthy could CJB have been in 2016 if JR had been there in relief, at least partially, in 2015 when CJB got banged up? It's not like CJB had huge passing stats against NW, for instance.
Part of the reason, IMO, that JR left was because CJB was named the starter and it "appeared" as a fait accompli, with no real hope of competing for the job. Coupled with the media treatment/headlines from CJBs dad, not to mention the fact GD was his OC, it was probably a huge breath of fresh air. Still, treated a little differently, he MAY have stayed around. It worked out well for him, but CJB was never the same after Pitt, and he never got a chance to get healthy/closer-to-healthy.
hawkeyebob62
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Hmm. I THINK we had a QB who did that some years back. At least his accuracy was bad enough that no WR/TE/RB fingers were broken because of it!
ibahawkeye
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It's tough... I'm absolutely against a 2 QB system but I also get your point of being able to see both in game action.
I think Kirk is going to pick a guy and go with him but hopefully we can get some big leads early in the year and get both some PT. But if this does happen, our starting QB play will likely be decent allowing us to get those leads.
Me too... Especially when the QBs are of similar attributes and styles... I mean it's one thing if your going with a Nathen Stanley and say Boyle was your #2 and you actually have some kind of method to your madness. Using different plays and systems with each of them. But no there can't be any bouncing back and forth from Stanley to Wiegers...
eveningnewsteam
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Go with Stanley. He'd possibly be a 3 year starter. Also, on one of the vids, he threw an out route to Cooper on the goal line, it was a high level NFL throw. This kid oozes talent, throw him to the wolves.
I think so too. He may take some lumps but if not by the end of this year the next couple of years he'll be a stud. His receiving corp is already pretty darn young they'll only grow with him. Plus BF will get better at what he's doing in time too. I say throw Stanley out there and lets go.
theboat
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JC's problem wasn't velocity. It was the damn turf jumping up to get in the way on all of the throws.
