What would you expect a coach to say? Yeah it was a great call when it was totally F'ed? Hey the guys on the other side are working to try to strategize to beat you!
PSU Franklin doesn't like fans input
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What would you expect a coach to say? Yeah it was a great call when it was totally F'ed? Hey the guys on the other side are working to try to strategize to beat you!
Franklin freezes in big games. This makes three times now in less than two years times his teams have blown two score leads in the fourth quarter. The rose bowl against USC and the last two years games with OSU were games that just have to make Penn St fans sick to there stomach.
That had to be one of the most bone headed play calls I've ever seen. Maybe the worst part is Franklin burned two time outs to come up with a running play on fourth and five.
Announcers usually are pretty diplomatic about coaches and their playcalling but even Herbie said he was shocked at the call.
That had to be one of the most bone headed play calls I've ever seen. Maybe the worst part is Franklin burned two time outs to come up with a running play on fourth and five.
Announcers usually are pretty diplomatic about coaches and their playcalling but even Herbie said he was shocked at the call.
okeefe4prez
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The athletic departments of every team with "State" in their name in the B1G have some egg on their face. I think OSU has the least amount, so that resolves it for me.
PSU had two timeouts to plan this play so Franklin knew exactly what was being discussed and planned. He could have vetoed this call and went with a different play.
It overall was his decision and he was and OC as an assistant.
HawkeyeFever
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PSU should still be suffering the repercussions of Sandusky's despicable acts and Joe Pa's blind eye, so it is really tough to root for them.
However, I wanted PSU to win just so the Hawks could go into Happy Valley with them undefeated and a top 5 rating. It would be even sweeter if the Hawks pull off the upset and crush their souls like last year's loss did to us in Iowa City.
That, and I absolutely abhor cheating, advantaged, fOSU and their spoiled, entitled, arrogant, douchebag coach and fanbase, And I always will.
Yep, I was rooting for PSU, and it wasn't really close.
Your right they had a ton of time. It felt like they had enough time to go home and sleep on it prior to it. It was such an anticlimactic of an ending. I wasn't really sure who I was rooting for going into the game but an ending like that was only good if you are an OSU fan and even they were like... Ok is that it? Why couldn't PSU have done something that dumb against us last year
Good point about their play call last year against the hawks but that was do or die, last second, have to get a TD situation.
But it was also do or die Saturday as they had to make it after using timeouts. Strange call.
And Franklin totally lost it when that fan said something to him and the fan was not cussing at him or doing anything bad.
Franklin pretty thin skinned there and needed to just keep walking. He makes over $5 million a year so with that salary comes all kinds of scrutiny and second guessing.
But these are two teams I do not like for obvious reasons. I used to like them as a football fan prior to the Sweater Vest/Meyer issues and Sandusky/Paterno shit pile.
SteveGarvey1
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The run play they called had a 20% chance of converting the first down. A pass play or McSorley running it even probably had a 65% chance of converting for the first down. Those are just estimates but you'd think a big time college coach would have a general sense of that in that situation. Plus burning another timeout meant the play was do or die, whereas pocketing the TO meant at least you'd get the ball back for some kind of desperation play, assuming you held tOSU without a first down.
Now I see why Franklin was voted the most over rated coach in college football. Yeah, I know, Kirk was voted third most over rated.
Yeah a coach taking any steps towards fans/students in a violent way is a TERRIBLE look. There's no spinning that. Could you imagine if Meyer had done that? KF? I mean come on. Just imagine if he wasn't held back would he have actually taken a swing over something as innocuous as that? It's unreal how these 'smart' folks that are used to being in the public eye can so easily just lose it.
HawkGold
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Likely he wouldn't have taken a swing. Kind of like a dog barking at the end of a chain. He knew they'd stop him.
EstronHawkKing
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I think Franklin would have just stopped where that guy was and scolded him, making an even bigger ass of himself. If I was the PSU AD, I would be having a long talk with him about his actions, he looked pretty bad.
mopkins
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I'll never root for Penn State ever again, even if they make the national title and it would be good for the conference.
One of my best friends is dating a former PSU cheerleader and the cult of penn state is 100% real. Even after all that has happened they still are brainwashed and ONLY care about football.
okeefe4prez
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Yep. Look, I do think JoePa got a bum deal because I honestly don't think the guy had the mental capacity or wherewithal to even understand what the allegation was and it should have been on the athletic department, not the football coach. I mean, I just don't think the guy could even comprehend what he was told because in a vacuum it just sounds so totally like "WTF?". Notwithstanding that, while I think JoePa got a bum deal, if I was a PSU fan, I would never watch them again after what happened there. I simply couldn't support them ever again. If it happened at Iowa, I would never go to another Iowa game again and wouldn't cheer for them. I'd probably just adopt a team closer to where I live, maybe Clemson or South Carolina to go with my 'Bama and Northwestern fandom.
okeefe4prez
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The guy needs to take lessons from Alford. If you ever yelled at Alford, he might have looked up a few times, but he did a helluva job at acting like he didn't hear it. Never wanted to do it in IC because Alford had goons in the University would run people out of good seats if they yelled at him, but at the United Center and on the road, he didn't have those goons.
mopkins
King Kong
Completely agree. The closest comparison I could make at Iowa would be the Alford/Pierre Pierce thing. That was so horrific I had to take a break from Iowa basketball until Alford was gone and even then I couldn't completely come back until I felt significant changes had been made. The Alford/Pierce thing is also not even 1% of what the PSU scandal was.
ThunderHawk
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At long last, what do you expect from an institution that raped children?
ThunderHawk
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Lol I was having the same problem. It's like choosing between AIDS and Ebola
RobHowe
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And James Franklin as a questionable past.
skinnykilmer17
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I'll never root for Penn State ever again, even if they make the national title and it would be good for the conference.
One of my best friends is dating a former PSU cheerleader and the cult of penn state is 100% real. Even after all that has happened they still are brainwashed and ONLY care about football.
For the love of God get this young woman some help. Then bomb the roads leading out of town.
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