Proof the West division is better than the East

[Joshbrown]

http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...s-notre-dame-fighting-irish-top-ap-all-top-25

EAST - 33.8 avg

Buckeyes - 1 (cheaters)

Michigan - 7 (cheaters)

Ped State - 12

Spartans - 19

Maryland - 40

Indiana - 72

Rutgers - 86

WEST - 32.7 avg

Nebraska - 6

Wisky - 24

Hawkeyes - 25 (Pitt #23 and we beat them 3 outa 4, kinda cool)

Purdue - 36

Minnesota - 37

Northwestern - 50

Illinois - 51


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Top to bottom the East and West are equals. I'm really starting to get bothered by those who claim otherwise. The only team in the east with whom Kirk has a losing record is the cheating Buckeyes.

Now can this board stop claiming the east is better than the west?!?!

 

[StanziUSA]

Since the division split of east and west, the east, in fact, is better.

 

[Hawk90]

Since the division split of east and west, the east, in fact, is better.

Uh no. 2014 East vs West 7-7, 2015 7-7. Now if you are using the amount of media coverage to determine which is better than yes the East rules. Harbaugh alone could defeat the entire West.

 

[deanvogs]

The problem is the East has had the better top team/teams, and that is always how tough a conference is viewed. Like last year having the #4 (OSU) #6 (MSU) & #12 (Michigan) >> #8 (Iowa) #21 (Wisconsin) & #23 (Northwestern)

 

[Hawk90]

Again, perception. Michigan 3 losses, loses to Michigan St. at home by 4. Ohio State loses to Mich St (at home) by 3, Iowa, well you know. Bowl games and perception determined the final rankings of the Big 10 teams, to say that the East is "better" is just not based in fact.

 

[deanvogs]

Again, perception. Michigan 3 losses, loses to Michigan St. at home by 4. Ohio State loses to Mich St (at home) by 3, Iowa, well you know. Bowl games and perception determined the final rankings of the Big 10 teams, to say that the East is "better" is just not based in fact.

There is no debating that MSU > Iowa, they proved it on the field. OSU > Wisconsin and Northwestern (this one is easy as well as OSU had 1 loss), and the pollsters obviously thought Michigan > Wisconsin and Northwestern.

So the top 4 teams in the B1G, 3 were from the East.

 

[uihawk82]

OP, you cant really use the average poll rankings all time for the teams to compute and average to compare east vs west the last few years. OSU, Mich, PSU, and now MSU have been very strong over the last 10-20 years to go with their long term overall poll avg. Minnesota the last 20 years has been pretty bad compared to their poll avg which was built on their glory years.

Now if you look at the AP poll averages of the teams for the last 10-20 years I think the East would be definitely higher. Really Wisky, Iowa, and Nebby would be the top West teams over the last 10-20 years but they would not be overall as high as OSU, Mich, PSU, and MSU over the same 10-20 years.

Face it the East division is a little stronger, not much, but they usually have the stronger teams.

I hope the hawks reverse it this year like they were so close last year.

 

[PCHawk]

There is no debating that MSU > Iowa, they proved it on the field. OSU > Wisconsin and Northwestern (this one is easy as well as OSU had 1 loss), and the pollsters obviously thought Michigan > Wisconsin and Northwestern.

So the top 4 teams in the B1G, 3 were from the East.

I don't agree with saying a team is definitely better because they won a close game. If you believe that, it means you don't believe in upsets.

 

[SteveGarvey1]

A bargaining chip to get NDU into the B1G would be to promise to put them into the West you would think. But then we know they're never coming to the conference.

 

[westender]

Again, perception. Michigan 3 losses, loses to Michigan St. at home by 4. Ohio State loses to Mich St (at home) by 3, Iowa, well you know. Bowl games and perception determined the final rankings of the Big 10 teams, to say that the East is "better" is just not based in fact.

Only way to quiet it is for Iowa to beat Rutgers there and Michigan at home. Until an Iowa or Nebraska or Wisconsin walks into Indy and beats Ohio State or Michigan the talk will continue. I think we can probably all agree Michigan has stepped back up. This isn't Rich Rod or Brady Hoke. They will be better and the Big Ten needs them to be better.

 

[deanvogs]

I don't agree with saying a team is definitely better because they won a close game. If you believe that, it means you don't believe in upsets.

I agree with what you are saying. Ole Miss for instance wasn't better than Bama last year and VT wasn't better than OSU the year before that. So yeas, lessor teams beat better teams all the time.

In his case both teams had 1 loss at the after they played, so I'd say the team that won is better.

 

[Joshbrown]

OP, you cant really use the average poll rankings all time for the teams to compute and average to compare east vs west the last few years. OSU, Mich, PSU, and now MSU have been very strong over the last 10-20 years to go with their long term overall poll avg. Minnesota the last 20 years has been pretty bad compared to their poll avg which was built on their glory years.

Now if you look at the AP poll averages of the teams for the last 10-20 years I think the East would be definitely higher. Really Wisky, Iowa, and Nebby would be the top West teams over the last 10-20 years but they would not be overall as high as OSU, Mich, PSU, and MSU over the same 10-20 years.

Face it the East division is a little stronger, not much, but they usually have the stronger teams.

I hope the hawks reverse it this year like they were so close last year.

I can and I did.

East --->Mecheatagain and the Buckeye$ win their bowl game -Indiana/PSU/MSU lose their games

West ----->Wisky & Bugeaters & Goophers win their bowl games - Hawkeyes & Northwestern lose theirs.

East = 2 wins three losses
West =3 wins two losses

^^^^ You might say, "That's just a snapshot." Well that's the point, people who are claiming the east is better are using a snapshot to justify their claim. Perception does not equal reality when it comes to one division being better than the other.

 

[Joshbrown]

Only way to quiet it is for Iowa to beat Rutgers there and Michigan at home. Until an Iowa or Nebraska or Wisconsin walks into Indy and beats Ohio State or Michigan the talk will continue. I think we can probably all agree Michigan has stepped back up. This isn't Rich Rod or Brady Hoke. They will be better and the Big Ten needs them to be better.

He needed Kirk's help (specifically his QB) to be better. Let's see how he does without Kirk's help. And when he's gone in a few years let's see how his successor does.

 

[Joshbrown]

Since the division split of east and west, the east, in fact, is better.

5 of the 7 teams in the west are capable of winning the division this year.

3 teams in the east have a chance at winning their division.

The east is top heavy and the west has depth.

I believe in the new century - Purdue - Iowa - Wisky - Illinois - Northwestern - have all won league titles. That's pretty good depth, and no, that 5 is not the same 5 referenced in the first sentence.

Divisions = equal

 

[PCHawk]

OSU is by far the best team in the conference so whichever division they're in would be considered the best because of one team. It is mostly perception though. It's weird that Michigan and Penn State still have a rep for what they were years ago but Nebraska doesn't with regards to this topic.

 

[docholihawk]

OP, you cant really use the average poll rankings all time for the teams to compute and average to compare east vs west the last few years. OSU, Mich, PSU, and now MSU have been very strong over the last 10-20 years to go with their long term overall poll avg. Minnesota the last 20 years has been pretty bad compared to their poll avg which was built on their glory years.

Now if you look at the AP poll averages of the teams for the last 10-20 years I think the East would be definitely higher. Really Wisky, Iowa, and Nebby would be the top West teams over the last 10-20 years but they would not be overall as high as OSU, Mich, PSU, and MSU over the same 10-20 years.

Face it the East division is a little stronger, not much, but they usually have the stronger teams.

I hope the hawks reverse it this year like they were so close last year.

Re-visit what Penn St. has done since they joined the BIG. They have had good years but their elite status was formed prior to the BIG. Since joining I wouldn't put them up with Ohio State.

 

[Hawk90]

OP, you cant really use the average poll rankings all time for the teams to compute and average to compare east vs west the last few years. OSU, Mich, PSU, and now MSU have been very strong over the last 10-20 years to go with their long term overall poll avg. Minnesota the last 20 years has been pretty bad compared to their poll avg which was built on their glory years.

Now if you look at the AP poll averages of the teams for the last 10-20 years I think the East would be definitely higher. Really Wisky, Iowa, and Nebby would be the top West teams over the last 10-20 years but they would not be overall as high as OSU, Mich, PSU, and MSU over the same 10-20 years.

Face it the East division is a little stronger, not much, but they usually have the stronger teams.

I hope the hawks reverse it this year like they were so close last year.

Again, perception; Wisconsin won 2 of 3 Championships in the Legends/Leaders game. It was a factor in how the conference was reconfigured. Michigan and Penn State have not been relevant for 10 years.

 

[guffus]

A bargaining chip to get NDU into the B1G would be to promise to put them into the West you would think. But then we know they're never coming to the conference.

If Notre Dame joined the BigTen, I assume they would want to be in a division with Purdue, MSU and Mich.

 

[uihawk82]

Again, perception; Wisconsin won 2 of 3 Championships in the Legends/Leaders game. It was a factor in how the conference was reconfigured. Michigan and Penn State have not been relevant for 10 years.

One of Wisky's 2 championships was due to OSU tattoos and selling equipment.

And all I am saying is the averages in the OP are skewed over a long time and not the last 10-15 years.

 

[Joshbrown]

One of Wisky's 2 championships was due to OSU tattoos and selling equipment.

And all I am saying is the averages in the OP are skewed over a long time and not the last 10-15 years.

In the new century Ped State IIRC has 7 seasons where they have 6 losses or more. Iowa has fewer than that. The old guard that you luv is only doing well because of cheating. Sorry, you're not a great power if you need to cheat to win. I think in your mind whichever division has cheating Ohio State is automatically the better division and that is too parochial a view.

Numbers don't lie, but emotions do.